Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Varsity Trip (3rd nomination)

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This article has no secondary sources to establish notability outside of the confines of those groups closely affiliated with this organisation. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The previous AFD asserted reliable sources that covered a particular prank, not the organisation itself. As the organisation was not the primary focus, these sources do not qualify as indicators of notability. All other sources are self-published or closely affiliated with the subject. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. I believe that the races held on this trip make up the oldest team skiing competition in the world (that is still running), and are therefore notable. There are plenty of sources confirming that it has run since 1922 (including coverage in The Times newspaper from the 2nd year until the 1980s) - however, it's less easy to prove that there are no other older competitions still running. Arguably the article should be expanded based on the newspaper articles to include more details of the format/notable participants/... over the years. If there is a consensus that this would make the article worthy of not being deleted, I could spend some time doing this next week. The size of the trip also seems significant (especially given that it is run by full-time students), although the claim that it is the largest student snowsport event is again hard to backup (3200 people is certainly more than a similar trip organised by BUSC). --SnowAddict (talk) 11:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

::Where are the independent sources to verify these claims? It isn't a question about clean-up or expansion -- it's about providing some solid third-party, independent references where the club is the main focus of the piece. Things aren't notable by association, so a 'notable participants' won't establish notability here. See WP:GNG. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

:::The earliest article that I've found is from The Times, 29th December 1923 and, whilst short, is dedicated to the races. Later articles are longer, and go beyond simply reporting the results. For example, on 11th December 1930, there was an article (again in The Times) discussing the status of the competitions within the universities, and weighing up the two teams in anticipation of the races. The Times is a major, independent publication, which covered the races more or less every year until 1975 -- and it may well have been covered in other papers, but I don't have access to those archives. There is also archive footage from both British Pathe ([http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=21418 1924], [http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=4818 1933]) and ITN ([http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/ITN/1964/12/23/X23126402/ 1964]).--SnowAddict (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep per SnowAddict  The Steve  11:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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