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{{article|Banjee}} I deleted the images in Banjee as being potentially libelous to the persons in the images since the images appear to be of living people, the persons in the image are associated with being thuggish men who have sex with men, and the article does not include Wikipedia reliable sources to support such an association. The images quickly were restored by another editor and the article now is in need of a BLP administrator to review the situation. -- Jreferee 19:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• The images were uploaded under the GFDL by the reported author of the images. Click on the images to see. If there is a good faith belief that the photo's subject did not authenticate them for such release, this can be taken to Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. But given that the subject's face is largely hidden, I doubt there is considerable grounds here. CyberAnth 07:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

:*GFDL does not authorize potentially libelous uses of images. Although the person's eyes are hidden in the photo, I believe that his identity still can be known, especially by those who are familiar with him. Since the article does not include Wikipedia reliable sources to support the use made of the living person images in the article, the images should be removed from the article if his identity can be known even with his eyes covered. Further comment/action still is needed to resolve this implementation of Wikipedia WP:BLP policy -- Jreferee 18:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::*So, what do we do next? CyberAnth 10:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Jonathan Corrigan Wells}} is a leading advocate of intelligent design. From this someone has said that he "rejects" evolution itself, which he does not seem to. I removed the sentence but it was put right back. Steve Dufour 19:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

:I did not find the word "reject" in the text when I visited it. I did find a problematic section and removed it to talk for re-writing, see Talk:Jonathan_Corrigan_Wells#Problematic_content. CyberAnth 06:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for doing that. I rather over reacted to the situation I'm afraid. The article is showing some improvement. Steve Dufour 08:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Make that "was" showing some improvement. :-) Steve Dufour 08:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The Wells article continues to include false and petty attacks on him from people who despise him for his criticism of evolutionary biology textbooks. The sources given for the slanderous attacks include a left-wing political blog, and a web site that gives Wikipedia as its only source! Roger 18:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:There has been an organized PR campaign there to insert/inflate material favorable to Wells while remove/downplay material that is not. Two of the four parties involved are members of Wells's church, one is a former member, and the other is a conservative Intellignet Design blogger. Two of the four are commenting here and are presenting a very one sided description of the situation there. Any assistance in putting this conflict of interest PR campaign to rest from earnest, unbiased editors is appreciated. {{user|151.151.21.99}} 19:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any issue with Raul, except that he expressed agreement with FeloniousMonk inserting false statements into the article.

Some of the Wells issues are:

:- claiming that Wells rejects the idea that HIV causes AIDS, when all he ever did was to sign a petition asking for a reappraisal of the evidence for and against.

:- claiming that the Unification Church paid for Wells's UCB PhD, when sources say the opposite.

:- claiming that the Unification Church opposes evolution, when Rev. Moon said, "I don't deny the process of evolution in development".

:- blaming Wells for another book from his publisher.

The above anonymous editor is apparently calling me a "conservative Intellignet Design blogger". I do have a blog, but I am not an advocate of intelligent design. Roger 03:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:You've completely misrepresented the issues there. And now you've been blocked for doing it, which speaks for itself. {{user|151.151.73.165}} 17:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:: Yes, I was blocked for 24 hours for expressing objections to the unsupported personal attacks in the Wells biography. Yes, that speaks volumes. You can see the above issues being debated on the Talk:Jonathan Corrigan Wells page. If you have an alternate view, then post it. Roger 05:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Anderson Cooper}} is in a state of near constant revert warring over speculation about his sexuality. Please can some people take a look and see who's arguments are a correct interpretation of WP:BLP?-Localzuk^(talk) 23:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• The more conservative ones, per WP:BLP. I have removed the material in question and posted my rationale at Talk:Anderson Cooper#.22This_.5Bsection.5D_is_about_Anderson_Cooper.27s_identity.2C_not_his_sex_life.22.2C_and_the_Washington_Blade (Now in Talk:Anderson Cooper/Archive 1). CyberAnth 01:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Tom Cruise}} contains a story originally printed in the tabloid 'The Sun' which claims that David Miscavige, current head of Church of Scientology, told Tom Cruise that he would be worshipped as a Christ-like figure. Jeff Quiros, President of the Church of Scientology of San Francisco, denies the story. So does Greg Churilov of the Scientology Parishioners' League. Since the story is about a living person, potentially libellous and poorly sourced, I edited it to delete it. It has been reverted each time. Please remove it.

:I removed the material per WP:RS. I can only put the page on my watchlist and help revert. Most of that entire "biography" reads like tabloid journalism, by the way. CyberAnth 05:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|David Miscavige}} Thanks, CyberAnth. I also had the same thing (revert) happen when I edited the David Miscavige bio to remove the Sun story. Please delete it from the Miscavige bio also. Here is a link to the President of the Church of Scientology of San Francisco's denial of the whole stupid story, in case you are challenged for removing it: [http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...a/16591805.htm] -- {{user|69.12.131.206}} S. M. Sullivan -- 06:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:Done. CyberAnth 08:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Tom Cruise '''Miscellaneous: There is a paragraph that states, " In February 2006 an article in Life & Style magazine reported that Cruise and Holmes were splitting up, but keeping up a public pretense until the spring...."

Please remove this paragraph. It is manifestly untrue, as Cruise and Holmes are now married, and spring is long gone. Moreover the sources on it are anonymous, so it's worth less than a double handful of flea dirt, IMO. {{user|69.12.131.206}} 08:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)S. M. Sullivan

:Done. Let us hope it stays. CyberAnth 08:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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! style="background-color: #ffd8a0;" | Neil Gaiman – Inactive. – 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Neil Gaiman}} It is continually being added to this profile that Gaiman is the son of a famous scientologist called David Gaiman, and that Neil Gaiman may have been schooled as a scientologist. This is SHEER speculation, any web references just point back at each other in some form of mobius loop, with no official or concrete proof.

There is no official sources even identifying Neil Gaiman as son of a man called David, let alone the SAME David (a common name surely!).

In closing I will add that Neil Gaiman has a very large web presence, with a blog which he writes to daily, he talks about EVERYTHING and ANYTHING, at NO point does either scientology come up, or the name David Gaiman. Yet Gaiman will often talk about his jewish/church of England roots, the fact that he himself obviously never talks about scientology, coupled with the absolute absence of andy official proof means these references should not be added. It may be true, yes certainly, but until there is proof, it must be removed. I welcome any discussion on this. {{user|Foxydavid}} 18:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do remove the unsourced information from Neil Gaiman's bio. It is not essential to understanding him, and may not be true. S. M. Sullivan 07:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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! style="background-color: #ffd8a0;" | Gary Null – Resolved. – 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Gary Null}} Subject is a writer and broadcaster on alternative medicine. We need some advice on whether the fact that he is mentioned on the website Quackwatch can be included. And more generally on how the subject's critical views on mainstream medicine can be represented in an NPOV way.Itsmejudith 18:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:Still need help! Itsmejudith 00:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

::The controversial aspects are treated appropriately in the article. — Athænara ✉ 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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! style="background-color: #ffd8a0;" | Ismail Ayob – Resolved. – 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Ismail Ayob}} Ismail Ayob was Nelson Mandela's lawyer but he was sued by Mandela in 2005. This high profile lawsuit was widely reported by multiple reputable South Africa media oulets, for example: [http://www.mg.co.za/articledirect.aspx?articleid=237663] [http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/specialreports.aspx?ID=BD4A67853] [http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1403002,00.html][http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=237663] [http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/specialreports.aspx?ID=BD4A34535][http://www.businessday.co.za/specialreports/mandela_ayob.aspx?Page=BD4P17409&MenuItem=BD4P17409] [http://www.dailynews.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2516316]. However, {{user|Zayd}}, has repeatedly removed references to the lawsuit from the article, and in 2006 did it on the Nelson Mandela article as well [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nelson_Mandela&diff=prev&oldid=37745217] (it has since been re-added to the Mandela article). Zayd's contributions (over the last year) seem to have mostly been about removing mention of the lawsuit from Wikipedia. Given the editing of someone who might be potentially close to the subject of the article (apparently Ayob has a son called Zayd, although that proves nothing), I think that this could get quite tricky. Should references to the lawsuit be left out? Park3r 22:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

: I agree this could get tricky. Hagiographical articles often become an embarassment to the author or subject when other editors add the "other side" of the story. If the article no longer even mentions that Ismail Ayob was Mandela's lawyer, then I would argue that it no longer shows that Ayob is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. How about {{prod}}, nn-bio? Zaian 16:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::Actually the article did mention the lawsuit and Mandela's relationship with Ayob from the start, and wasn't a hagiography (in fact it had a rather hostile tone) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ismail_Ayob&oldid=34298574], but then mention of the lawsuit was removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ismail_Ayob&diff=35187245&oldid=34310158]. It effectively became a hagiography, and all attempts to re-add information about the lawsuit and Mandela's relationship with Ayob have been removed. Ayob was a prominent struggle lawyer and still has a high political profile (if we get rid of his article, we may as well throw George Bizos out as well). The subject is noteworthy and the article can be kept. As for the lawsuit, the details should be kept in, but the possible conflict of interest issues need to be dealt with.Park3r 17:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:::I think it did start as a hagiography - most of the early edits were anonymous by {{user|82.111.242.71}}, with the first mention of Mandela and the artwork dispute coming [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ismail_Ayob&diff=35187245&oldid=34310158 later] but being deleted by ((user|82.111.242.219}} a few minutes before the user Zayd first edited. 82.111.242.219 may not have been Zayd, but the same IP address made some unpleasant [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Bizos&diff=37587195&oldid=36220087 innuendo-filled] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Bizos&diff=36077330&oldid=31526592 edits] on the George Bizos article starting on the same day. Zaian 21:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::::OK, I stand corrected. Regardless, I have re-added the section on the lawsuit to the article (and added a BBC source as well), and expanded on Ayob's other anti-apartheid activities (he represented Winnie Mandela, for example), and I have tried to add some balance to the sections both in Ismail Ayob, and Nelson Mandela. It should be noted that Zayd Ayob is now quoted in the Nelson Mandela article. Park3r 21:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems some pretty wild allegations are being made and it seems to be getting personal which is unfortunate especially coming from Zaian with his or her tremendous accolades and achievements, wish we were all like him or her —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zayd (talk • contribs)

: Zayd, it's nothing personal. Thanks for editing this article and the Nelson Mandela article constructively with references. I think the text you added needs to be summarised as it is currently too long, and as you are apparently an interested party, your contribution (even if well referenced) is unlikely to be entirely neutral. It's a start though - please continue to contribute positively by allowing collaborative editing to take its course. By sticking to verifiable facts, and avoiding editorial commentary and opinion, it should be possible to end up with an acceptable neutrally-presented article. {{user|Zaian}} 21:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Steve Kagen}} Steven Kagen went to Appleton West HS but graduated from Appleton East [unsigned, undated]

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• {{article|Mike Huckabee}} - Repeated insertion of a paragraph criticizing Mike Huckabee (a former governor of an American state with possible Presidential ambitions) for not ordering a new investigation of a criminal case. Includes no sources for any claims except a single quotation (and that source may be inadequate), and editorial statement like, "The West Memphis Three ordeal has become internationally known as a debacle of the Arkansas justice system." A.J.A. 21:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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! style="background-color: #ffd8a0;" | Kara Borden – Resolved. – 01:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Kara Borden}} There has been an ongoing conflict with {{userlinks|Tommypowell}} and others over the inclusion of exact birthdates for underaged victims of crimes. My interpretation of WP:BLP is that these people are not public figures nor are they particularly notable outside of the fact that they were involved in a sensational crime, and I have been following my interpretation of policy by replacing their exact birthdays with simply their birth years. Tommypowell disagrees and has reverted my changes at Kara Borden, Shawn Hornbeck, and Shasta Groene. Any help and input would be greatly appreciated. AniMate 23:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:It is near impossible to find a source for the date of birth for this article. Through much searching, only one possible link has been found which isn't even accessible to the general public due to it requiring a subscription to view. The lack of any other sources would imply to me that the birthdate is not readily available and thsu should not be included. A third party's opinion on this would be helpful. Cowman109^Talk 00:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• ) Those birthdates were put up in 2005 by other users and have been up for 2 years without complaint. I have asked you many times for language in the BLP which distinguishes between birthdates for people of different ages or different occupations (actors/musicians only as you have claimed). You have been unable to respond. Birthdates, where available, are routinely included on Wikipedia pages-there is NO exception in the BLP for alleged crime victims.
• By the way, the link is accesible to the general public without subscription-http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=lancaster+new+era%22+kara+borden%22+ludwig+2+06+91&btnG=Search and again-the birthdate has been up for 2 years without complaint, posted by User Detour in 1995; not by me. Tommypowell 14:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:You're correct that there's no exception in the BLP for birthdates for alleged crime victims.

:There's an exception in the BLP for birthdates for *everyone* (except major public figures). WP:BLP#Privacy of birthdays

Wikipedia includes exact birthdates for some famous people, but including this information for most living people should be handled with caution. While many well-known living persons' exact birthdays are widely known and available to the public, the same is not always true for marginally notable people or non-public figures. With identity theft on the rise, it has become increasingly common for people to consider their exact date of birth to be private information. When in doubt about the notability of the person in question, or if the subject of a biography complains about the publication of his or her date of birth, err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth rather than the exact date.

Ken Arromdee 19:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• I think when you have been the focus of massive international media coverage including TV appearaces and hundreds of thousands of google hits you qualify as a "well-known living person" Where your birthdate is globally available in a 10 second google search the BLP concern about "identity theft" is not present. Tommypowell 14:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::I think that WP should have higher standards than the "massive international media". What is the value of reporting the birthdays of child victims of sex crimes? Steve Dufour 17:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked out these articles. In my opinion the last two, at least, should be deleted. What value does it have to give personal details about children who have been victims of sex crimes? Steve Dufour 19:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:Agreed. Wikipedia is encyclopedic, not 'all-encompassing'. We do not need the details of each of the hornbeck sodomy charges, it's enough to list the proper number of charges filed. TO go too far in the 'gory details' of a BLP is generally frowned upon, and so should the inclusion of information which hurts no one to omit, and which probably serves more to facilitate harrassment than anything else, shouldn't be there. We wouldn't post the victim's address, and we shouldn't post their age. ThuranX 20:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::Should there be an article on an individual who is notable only for being the victim of a sex crime while a child? I have no problem with an article on the perpetrator. Steve Dufour 22:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Thanks for your help, ThuranX. I see one of the articles is gone already. Steve Dufour 22:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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• {{article|Richard Bridgeman, 7th Earl of Bradford}} {{User|Ghost rider1000}} adds permanently two weblinks [http://www.faketitles.info] and [http://www.nobility.co.uk/bogusold.htm] which use an aggressiv and slanderous tone and seem to lead a smear campaign against the earl. Both links contradict Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. He was noticed on his talkpage, in a revert's summary and on the article's talkpage. ~~ Phoe _talk 20:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC) ~~

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{{article|Leonard Weinglass}} Article reads like it was written by an extremist offshoot branch of the John Birch Society. It's not just biased, but pure character assasination and right-wing extremist propaganda. Of all the NPOV violations I've seen on wikipedia, this is BY FAR the WORST, and given the lack of sourcing, exhibits a high risk of containing libellous information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.47.251 (talk • contribs){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:The article probably should be nominated for deletion. He is not that notable unless there is something more that could be said about him. Steve Dufour 19:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::He is quite notable,and a good deal more can be said. Since he is well-known to be proud of defending leftists, even those involved with criminal activity (and as it is part of American constitutional law that lawyer defend criminal cases) , saying so does not violate BLP. Since the crimes of the accused, some of whom have been convinced, are not relevant, the refs to the WP articles on them is sufficient, and I have removed the descriptions of the crimes. DGG 21:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::If things have been written about him then bring that information into the article. I am on your side. However just doing a job, and defending criminals is a lawyer's job, does not make a person notable on WP. Steve Dufour 21:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::It depends somewhat on the notability of the criminals. But the refs will bring that out.DGG 22:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Leonard Weinglass, one of the country's most prominent defense lawyers since the Vietnam era, is easily notable enough for an article. As of this writing, the current version of the article contains no improper material. Newyorkbrad 00:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::It could use some more references however. Steve Dufour 02:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Peter Roskam}} POV warriors are battling out with no winners but Roskam is the loser. Starting to read like a hit piece or campaign bio instead of an encyclopedia article. potentially false light libel issues. Please keep an eye on it. --Tbeatty 04:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:I'd welcome as many people who understand WP:BLP as possible to come and comment on the changes to this article that are said to be based on BLP. Thanks. --BenBurch 16:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::Since you asked, I've been studying WP:BLP (among other Wikipedia policies) for about a month in my spare time. Generally speaking a Wiki biography about a living person must be written conservatively. It must strictly adhere to WP:NPOV, particularly WP:NPOV#Undue_weight. A side-by-side comparison between the Peter Roskam article, and the article about any living Democratic politician you'd care to name, proves that the former is a hatchet job. Much the same can be said about the rest of the Republican congressional delegation from Illinois and, I suspect, the rest of the Republicans in Congress. Wikipedia must not be put into a position of appearing to side with the critics of a living person. Any negative information must have ironclad RS V sourcing or it must be removed without hesitation. Thanks for asking. Dino 19:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::I don't think anything can be done if people supporting or opposing a candidate put in true, cited information. (The pupose of the information being to sway voters for or against the subject of the article, not to add to our intellectual understanding of that person's life or importance in history.) I think that readers are smart enough to make up their own minds anyway. Steve Dufour 20:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::The information in dispute is all true and all cited in RS-V sources. And *my* goal is not to sway anybody against the congressman. He is not up for re-election for one thing. It is to make a good article. A good article ought to be the verifiable truth whether or not that makes the person out to be a saint or a sinner or (where most of us lie) somewhere in the middle. I will not allow all negative information to be removed in the name of some tortured interpretation of WP:BLP any more than I would allow the good he has done (like returning lost dog tags to vietnam vets and/or their survivors) to be removed. --BenBurch 20:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I'm not familiar with the article at hand, but there is still the "undue weight" aspect to consider, whether or not the information is verifiable. For hypothetical example, if a subject is caught peeing on the side of the road at the age of five, and there happens to be newspaper articles about it to cite, is it really important enough of an incident to rate a paragraph (or even mention at all)? - Crockspot 21:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks for that. In this article there is "undue mass" as well as "undue weight". That is the total mass of information is way too much for a person who is not that important. Steve Dufour 21:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::: Interesting. I would usually think that an article would have whatever was available in it since Wikipedia Is Not Paper. Is there some standard? What would you think the correct size should be? --BenBurch 21:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::::There is probably a policy somewhere. I would think that an ideal article could be read in one sitting and give some basic understanding of the subject and why he, she, or it is important. If every bit of information that is out there is included no one will make it to the end of the article. Steve Dufour 21:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::: Crockspot, you are exactly the sort of person we need on this article because you are fair and civil. Please head over there? Thanks. --BenBurch 21:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::I'm sure that there is at least one editor working that article who would disagree with your opinion of me vehemently, and since I have made the committment to avoid that editor if at all possible, I'll probably take a pass on your invitation. But I will try to take a look at it. - Crockspot 21:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::Not me! I 'buried the axe' regarding any conflict we may have had a long time ago. Sorry if you haven't. I'd welcome your participation. - Fairness & Accuracy For All 10:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::::It's not a matter of burying the axe for me. It's the way that you (continue to) conduct yourself that I wish no part of. - Crockspot 15:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::::Oh the irony! Someone who supports and defends the Swift Boaters chastising me for my conduct! That's rich! - Fairness & Accuracy For All 15:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::::: Yet again, you prove my point for me. - Crockspot 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::::::And you, mine! - Fairness & Accuracy For All 20:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::: Your comments would be appreciated in any case. --BenBurch 22:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Congressmen are up for re-election every two years. Otherwise I agree with what you say. :-) Steve Dufour 20:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well, you have me there, but the campaigning is a year off at this point. --BenBurch 20:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Congressmen such as Roskam are already fundraising and picking out key campaign staff. Serving in the House means constantly preparing for the next election. Dino 23:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::Really Dino? Fundraising is highly regulated by the FEC. Unless he has a federally registered 08 campaign, fundraising for 08 would be illegal. You're claiming he has a FEC 08 campaign in place, Dino? Another one of your 'claims', eh Dino? - Fairness & Accuracy For All 10:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::::I think he was making a general comment that in a democracy politicians are always "up for re-election." Steve Dufour 17:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the article is being edited by people with political agendas. This shows how powerful WP has become if they think the best way they can influence the outcome of an election is to edit a WP article. Barack Obama's article is about the same. I don't think there is anything that can be done about it, unless you want to get in on one side or the other that is. Cheers. Steve Dufour 19:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:Recent update: A new consensus has developed on this article. This is a freshman congressman with one month of service, whose article was ten times as long as the article about Dan Burton, a controversial 12-term congressman from a neighboring state. Pursuant to the directives of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV#Undue_weight, I went through the article with a chainsaw and then Propol and Tbeatty went over it with a scalpel and a pair of tweezers. The result is a reasonably good article, even though it's still four times as long as Dan Burton. I've nominated it for Good Article status. Dino 03:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Samuel Hook}} I'm new to this, but this is my brother-in-law. Yes, he has some links with Abramoff, but I find it unneccessary to see that Sam has its own Wiki page. Is it possible to nuke it in its entiretiy? [unsigned]

:Legitimate question: Would that be because it paints a less than favourable picture of Sam? Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 20:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::I made a small change for the sake of fairness. I wonder how long it will take for it to be deleted. Steve Dufour 06:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Mel Gibson DUI incident}} There is a very interesting debate taking place on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mel Gibson DUI incident AFD discussion page regarding breakout articles on controversial incidents in the lives of living people. I think editors involved with the biography project may be interested in weighing in on this. Cleo123 02:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|John Travolta}} My 'Family' section cleanup attempt has been reverted by some unknown person. I added the year he and Kelly Preston were married and the names of their kids. My source was the wiki bio on Kelly Preston. I also deleted the parts about Jett having untreated autism because the sources were Operation Clambake,( an anti-Scientology message board), and a couple of gossip media. Not reliable sources. Some of the allegations were not sourced at all. All that I deleted were potential legal trouble for Wiki. Please consider blocking the editor who reverted to remove my changes, and protect this bio if you agree with my changes. 69.12.131.206 03:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)S. M. Sullivan

• Just off the cuff, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, so unless there is a RS cited for marriage date and children's names in the Preston article, that info is not reliably sourced. Children's names are particularly sensitive, unless they are already notable themselves. (If there is an RS in the Preston article, it should be used directly in the Travolta article, not cite the Preston article.) - Crockspot 15:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• I had previously raised concerns about the "Family" section of John Travolta which User:69.12.131.206 was trying to address, and I appreciate that. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:John_Travolta&diff=103746887&oldid=101041641] The best solution would be to find an independent, reliable source to support the marriage date and children's names. Generally there is no attempt to keep secret the names of children of celebrities on the level of Travolta, so I don't see a problem with identifying the children's names in this article. However, the allegation that one of Travolta's children has untreated autism has not been properly sourced and so I do see a problem under WP:BLP with continuing to include that in the article, as some editors apparently want to include it. --Metropolitan90 00:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It is Tilman who keeps reverting my attempts to correct the Travolta article and other articles too. He has an anti-Scientology website that he has linked to the bios of a few Scientologists. I consider that he is using Wikipedia articles to get more hits on his website. What to do? It is impossible for me to imagine good faith on his part. S. M. Sullivan 07:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)S. M. Sullivan

:Mark Ebner is an award winning investigative journalist. Just because he writes about Hollywood doesn't make his website "gossip". His article is credible; the "Kawasaki syndrome through carpet cleaning" that Travolta is telling isn't. I am therefore restoring it. --Tilman 07:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Bill Belichick}} * There is a plethora of potentially libelous material being perpetuated on Belichick's biography page, including criticisms that, although cited somewhat correctly, are not Wiki in format and are not verifiable. Also, they are borderline libelous. As an aside, look at every other NFL coach's wiki page and find a "Criticisms" section. Oh yeah, right. None to be found. WStewart07 05:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Mae-Wan Ho}} *Needs a good clean up and verification. Editing on the article is not active, but the mess that is there needs sorting out.--Peta 09:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Mansoor Ijaz}} I'm not sure if this is the right place to report this but I think someone should take a look at this edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mansoor_Ijaz&curid=2269057&diff=106615318&oldid=102611034]  YDAM TALK 17:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• There is really a problem here of hostile reverts and implied legal threats. Admin action requested - DGG 00:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• I added a proposed deletion template to the article. -- Jreferee 18:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• I deleted the tag and worked to improve the article. It seems to be pretty much NPOV right now and satisfy BLP policy. But everyone is very welcome to improve it further. Biophys 16:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Stephanie McIntosh}} Someone should read this while it is probably right also very offensive

• I removed the section that seemed improperly sourced, per WP:NOR and WP:BLP. Crum375 04:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• I removed a sentence for BLP violation and added one fact template. The article now seems to read OK as far as BLP issues go. -- Jreferee 17:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|Georgie Thompson}}

{{userlinks|davesmith33}} is repeatedly entering information which does not have a reliable source. // Bladeofgrass 20:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{article|article}} This is another soccer-related biography which says much under a section called "Criticisms", but is told in a prosaic, non-NPOV style, obviously based on hearsay, and citing no sources. IMO, It paints a dubious picture of the subject of the biography.

Again, if you disagree, please disregard. I have presented on the Talk page for this article. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 23:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

:This can be closed, as the Criticisms section has been removed by a bold editor. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 11:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Then re-instated! Ho-hum. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 22:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

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• {{article|Srebrenica massacre}} - In the article (and on its talk page), editors Opbeith, Bosniak, Emir_Arven and potentially others are repeatedly reinserting allegations or innuendo that the head of the UN peace keeping force, Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie visited Serbian "rape camps" where he was delivered with Bosnian women and raped them. This is an absolutely absurd charge that is rooted in propaganda rather than reality; Mackenzie has very publicly questioned much of the reporting surrounding the Srebrenica Massacre and calling or suggesting that he's a rapist is a way to discredit him. To me, this looks like ad hominem at its worst and potentially libelous to boot. -- Mgunn 19:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, among its editors, the article has a number of Serbian revisionists and siege mentality Bosnians that have made rational discussion and rational editting extraordinarly difficult. It feels a little bit like an online version of the Yugoslav wars... make the other side look as bad as possible without getting banned by Wikipedia editors. -- {{user|Mgunn}}

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{{article|Richard Littlejohn}} I edited this article to remove a large number of unsourced controversial statements, which are plainly unacceptable under WP:BLP. However a number of users have insisted on reverting these edits, with one user describing them as a "whitewash". {{user|217.34.39.123}} 13:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• Much of what is being disputed is sourced and acceptable under WP:BLP, much of it is unsourced but not particularly negative, and some of it looks like attempts to build up 'guilt by association'. Needs more thorough investigation. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 15:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

:*This is the sort of article that will continue to hold WP up to libel until WP:BLP is strengthened. CyberAnth 07:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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• {{article|Tahir-ul-Qadri}} - completely unsourced and a major cleanup project. The article is periodically subject to the insertion of an opinionated paragraph deriding this individual's teachings and linking to a youtube video. --BigDT 07:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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• {{article|2006 corruption scandals in Chile}} New, well referenced article with much potentially libelous text. The references are in Spanish, which I cannot read to determine whether the statements are true. The article may need someone to review it who reads Spanish. Thanks. -- Jreferee 01:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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! style="background-color: #ffd8a0;" | Yoshiaki Omura – Inactive. See also BDORT section. – 03:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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• {{article|Yoshiaki Omura}} This article is a biography of a living person in which the content is clearly disputed. While it is protected from editing and correction, false and misleading, poorly sourced, irresponsible and potentially libelous material is being exhibited, and Dr. Omura's reputation is being damaged. This is unacceptable. I have repeatedly removed such material and it was repeatedly replaced, and now I am disabled from editing the article though I am not unregistered or newly registered. PLEASE HELP. We should not need a law firm to help us remove such material.

Sincerely, Telomere+ Telomere+ 07:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

:Some of the statements in the article are indeed negative to Dr Omura, but these statements appear to be clearly referenced. What do you mean by "poorly sourced"? Andrew Dalby 13:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I have explained in some detail in Dr. Omura's article discussion section what I mean by poorly sourced, with examples, prior to removing any poorly sourced portions. My explanation was removed. Why? The main body of this Yoshiaki Omura article seems to have been put together by a person who acts like Dr. Omura's enemy and wishes to damage his reputation. To someone who knows Dr. Omura and works with him, as I do, the negative statements are obviously false and placed with an intent to damage. Please read my explanation in the "my talk" section of Telomere+.

In addition, some references found to contain erroneous information have been changed by their owners already, with apologies to Dr. Omura, and are outdated. My goal is not just to remove the poorly referenced and obviously false information that misleads people, but to publish the truth. As I stated, I have not newly registered; why preclude me from the right to remove damaging untrue material according to Wikipedia policy?

Please do not refuse to enforce the relevant Wikipedia Policy in this case. {{user|Telomere}} 02:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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• I have placed a request at WP:AE regarding the below discussion. -- Jreferee 17:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) → (Now in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive4#User:Richardmalter.)

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{{article|Will Young}} There have been several attempts to vandalise Will Young's biography with homophobic remarks. Luckily another member has reverted to the original material {{user|Gill P}} 22:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|david Cash, Jr.}} This has been changed a few times to libel another person with a similar name. The claims about a positive photo ID and attending Berkeley are false. Can we fix this more permanently? {{user|76.17.126.213}} 19:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|Robert Prechter}} I've added documented material (from the Wall Street Journal, Fortune, etc.) to the article on Robert Prechter. Prechter's employee, User:Rgfolsom keeps on reverting the material. Please note that this article is currently involved in a lengthy request for arbitration involving both Rgfolsom and myself. Smallbones 14:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|Daniel Wretström}} This article is a violation of the Swedish personal data law [http://www.pul.nu/sid2eng.html] since the killers name has not been published in Swedish journalistic media and I don't think it has been published in media outside Sweden. Therefore the article of the supposed killer has been deleted from Swedish Wikipedia [http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Khaled+Odeh] (:sv:Wikipedia:Sidor föreslagna för radering/Khaled Odeh). His name should therefore be deleted from all versions of this article that mention it. //StefanB sv 09:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|Mike Honda}} Can someone please take a look at this article? One (or more?) Japanese anonymous editor keeps adding some obscure conspiracy theory and subtle racism, flatly contradicted by reputable English article. {{user|ThreesCompany}} 17:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

{{article|Tom Coburn}} A small section of this article, "Sterilization controversy," is, in my POV unnecessary because it contains an unsubstantiated charge; a legal case was filed, but then dismissed with no further action. Several users have attempted to delete this section, but it keeps getting restored. We would appreciate your looking into this matter. Thank you. ProfessorPaul 00:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)