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:The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. To request review of this BRFA, please start a new section at WT:BRFA. The result of the discussion was {{BotApproved}}

{{Newbot|InternetArchiveBot|3}}

Operator: {{botop|Cyberpower678}}

Time filed: 19:17, Tuesday, June 4, 2019 (UTC)

Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: automatic

Programming language(s): PHP

Source code available: Not at current

Function overview: Bluelink Book references where ever possible.

Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate): Unanimous discussion

Edit period(s): Continuous

Estimated number of pages affected: mainspace

Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes

Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): Yes

Function details: IABot will go through a DB subset of information as well as crawl through recent changes to maintain an index of available books and cited books. It will use that to derive which pages have cited books that can be blue linked and make the edit. The end result is that the page title and/or the page number will be a link to the previewable book. If the title is already wikilinked somewhere else, only the page number is linked, vice-versa. If there is a page number, IABot will provide a direct link to the page in the book for readers to look at. If not, the book will be linked without a page number. Links to book searches and for-profit entities will be replaced.

=Discussion=

:Does the bot also work with citations that have no ISBN and/or books where there is more than one book, edition etc. under the same title? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:05, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

::{{u|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}, in the future it will but for now it will only deal with ISBNs. ISBNs are unique to editions. Down the road it will handle matching of books missing ISBNs. —CYBERPOWER (Around) 03:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

{{BotTrial|edits=50}} As per usual, please perm link contribs here when done & take all the time you need, {{u|Cyberpower678}}. --TheSandDoctor Talk 07:29, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

== Trial ==

  1. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Care_Bears&diff=902089455&oldid=897552594 Edit 1]
  2. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Daily_Show_episodes_(2011)&diff=prev&oldid=903610502 Edit 2]
  3. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_War_II&diff=prev&oldid=903610853 Edit 3]
  4. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_works_about_Thomas_Merton&diff=prev&oldid=903611767 Edit 4]
  5. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibliography_of_George_Washington&diff=prev&oldid=903611896 Edit 5]
  6. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anchor_Bible_Series&diff=prev&oldid=903612056 Edit 6]
  7. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Linda_Goodnight&diff=prev&oldid=903741953 Edit 7]
  8. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_deaths_from_drug_overdose_and_intoxication&diff=prev&oldid=903742217 Edit 8]
  9. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Daily_Show_episodes_(2010)&diff=prev&oldid=903742442 Edit 9]
  10. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_F._Buckley_Jr._bibliography&diff=prev&oldid=903743459 Edit 10]
  11. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Daily_Show_episodes_(2013)&diff=prev&oldid=903743623 Edit 11]
  12. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Feminism&diff=prev&oldid=903743779 Edit 12]
  13. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ridley_Pearson&diff=prev&oldid=903744220 Edit 13]
  14. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust&diff=prev&oldid=903744454 Edit 14]
  15. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Patterson_bibliography&diff=prev&oldid=903744568 Edit 15]
  16. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibliography_of_Canadian_history&diff=prev&oldid=903744866 Edit 16]
  17. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jane_Porter_(romance_author)&diff=prev&oldid=903772526 Edit 17]
  18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackie_Robinson&diff=prev&oldid=903772605 Edit 18]
  19. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States&diff=prev&oldid=903772706 Edit 19]
  20. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Daily_Show_episodes_(2012)&diff=prev&oldid=903772785 Edit 16]
  21. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam&diff=prev&oldid=903772873 Edit 20]
  22. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibliography_of_Canada&diff=prev&oldid=903772980 Edit 21]
  23. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ted_Kennedy&diff=prev&oldid=903773132 Edit 22]
  24. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=McCarthyism&diff=prev&oldid=903783647 Edit 23]
  25. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_books_about_Jesus&diff=prev&oldid=903773230 Edit 24]
  26. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibliography_of_jazz&diff=prev&oldid=903784416 Edit 25]
  27. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malcolm_X&diff=prev&oldid=903941458 Edit 26]
  28. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Holocaust&diff=prev&oldid=903941517 Edit 27]
  29. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_F._Kennedy&diff=prev&oldid=903942868 Edit 28]
  30. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_agnostics&diff=prev&oldid=903942915 Edit 29]
  31. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_F._Kennedy&diff=903942932&oldid=902636009 Edit 30]
  32. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Franklin_D._Roosevelt&diff=prev&oldid=903943171 Edit 31]
  33. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eloisa_James&diff=prev&oldid=903943188 Edit 32]
  34. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israel&diff=prev&oldid=903943227 Edit 33]
  35. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_history_of_Canada&diff=prev&oldid=903943262 Edit 34]
  36. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Nouwen_bibliography&diff=prev&oldid=903943287 Edit 35]
  37. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Carter&diff=prev&oldid=903943381 Edit 36]
  38. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_W._Campbell_Award_for_Best_New_Writer&diff=prev&oldid=903943413 Edit 37]
  39. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Birmingham&diff=prev&oldid=903943435 Edit 38]
  40. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Jefferson&diff=prev&oldid=903943454 Edit 39]
  41. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_kidney_stone_formers&diff=prev&oldid=903943469 Edit 40]
  42. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_fictional_astronauts_(modern_period,_works_released_2000–2009)&diff=prev&oldid=903943487 Edit 41]
  43. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=903943501 Edit 42]
  44. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Franz_Kafka&diff=prev&oldid=903943527 Edit 43]
  45. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Lisbon&diff=prev&oldid=903943560 Edit 44]
  46. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahatma_Gandhi&diff=prev&oldid=903943586 Edit 45]
  47. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=prev&oldid=903943618 Edit 46]
  48. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._Edgar_Hoover&diff=prev&oldid=903943643 Edit 47]
  49. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Charvet_customers&diff=prev&oldid=903943665 Edit 48]
  50. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frank_Sinatra&diff=prev&oldid=903943687 Edit 49]
  51. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesus&diff=prev&oldid=903943711 Edit 50]
  • {{BotTrialComplete}} Edits with bugs were reversed and re-attempted after the bug was fixed. This was a controlled manual run.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • :Ping the {{u|TheSandDoctor}}.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 14:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ::I have few queries:
  • ::#Why is both the page number linked to the url, and {{para|url}} set to that same url? That creates two links in the citation that link to the same place, which seems strange/confusing. General practice from what I've seen seems to be to only add a link using {{para|url}}.
  • ::#I don't think Google Books links should be removed, as that would for one create a heavily reliance on Archive.org - meaning if, for some reason, Archive.org had to stop offering page previews/this form of library loan, we would lose out links to Google Book previews. It would also be overriding the decisions of individual editors to include Google Books links, and individual editorial decisions shouldn't be overriden by a bot IMO. Wikipedia:Citing sources#Linking to Google Books pages is somewhat relevant.
  • ::Also, I'm curious at a ballpark how many edits you think the bot will make. There are about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22ISBN%22&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 a million articles] with ISBNs, so I'd think >~100000?
  • ::Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • :::{{u|Galobtter}}, thanks for the questions. This was made after careful consideration. It makes it easier for the reader to access the book preview. As is in many cases a lot of book references are wiki-linked to a different article making the title unavailable to be linked via url=. Also in terms of ease of access, I believe that if a reader looked at the reference and wanted directed access to the material/page, they are more likely to click on the page number. That was the general idea behind it. Hence I made a demo edit and proposed it as such in the linked discussion above which got unanimous support. In regards to the second question, the logic behind that is moving from a for-profit organization to a non-profit organization that gives free access to the complete book seemed like a no brainer. The page number in a Google Books URL is not lost and is carried over to the new URL. So in short the readers will still see the same book, and same page, just on a different site. As for the ballpark, the initial run is calculated to be around 120,000 pages. After that it monitors for additions to the archive.org library and watches for changes in recent changes. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 20:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

::::Re Google Books. [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/70326-hail-and-farewell-to-the-google-books-case.html "Google Books is a bit of a ghost town. The Google Books blog, and Google’s library newsletter were shut down long ago. And the leading visionaries behind Google Books have all moved on to dream other dreams."]. There are [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/the-tragedy-of-google-books/523320/ other articles] about the possible demise of Google Books. Google has shut down other favorite services (RSS reader etc) so its long-term viability is uncertain. OTOH archive.org is taking this as an opportunity and devoting a lot of resources to be a bigger and better Google Books. As it should be as a non-profit library which is always preferable over a commercial book seller. -- GreenC 15:13, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

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{{BotApproved}} Under normal circumstances, I would prefer to leave the close for someone else. However, given the backlog, lack of recent BAG activity (myself included), and the fact that this task is uncontroversial and based on how well the trial went, I am inclined to make an exception for this. As per usual, if amendments to - or clarifications regarding - this approval are needed, please start a discussion on the talk page and ping. --TheSandDoctor Talk 00:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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