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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Poles from Zaolzie to :Category:Polish people from Zaolzie. --Xdamr^talk 18:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Poles from Zaolzie to :Category:Polish people from Zaolzie

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Change "Poles" to "Polish people" per recent change in other similarly-named categories: 2009 August 24 CfD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per content of previous discussions and speedy criteria #4. Debresser (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename:

:* :Category:Swiss of Hungarian descent to :Category:Swiss people of Hungarian descent

:* :Category:Swiss of Montenegrin descent to :Category:Swiss people of Montenegrin descent

:* :Category:Swiss of Slovak descent to :Category:Swiss people of Slovak descent

:* :Category:Swiss of South African descent to :Category:Swiss people of South African descent

:--Xdamr^talk 18:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Swiss of Hungarian descent to :Category:Swiss people of Hungarian descent

:*:Category:Swiss of Montenegrin descent to :Category:Swiss people of Montenegrin descent

:*:Category:Swiss of Slovak descent to :Category:Swiss people of Slovak descent

:*:Category:Swiss of South African descent to :Category:Swiss people of South African descent

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. For consistency. Matching these to parents {{cat|Swiss people}} and {{cat|Swiss people by ethnic or national origin}} and to subcategories for other Swiss people of different ethnic origins. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support nom Mayumashu (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Speedy rename per arguments of nominator and speedy criteria 34. Debresser (talk) 12:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Renames to match title of parent category. Alansohn (talk) 00:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
• Rename all, per similar discussions. --Soman (talk) 12:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Close per WP:SNOW and the functional withdrawal of the nomination by the nominator. NAC. Otto4711 (talk) 02:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain biking venues to :Category:Mountain biking venues and trails

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. There exist places called 'venues' meant for mountain biking. There also exist 'trails' that goes from place A to B. Kslotte (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - this and several of the others nominated below were discussed less than a month ago. Otto4711 (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

: I didn't had the chance to give a comment on the thoughts and the decisions back then. Now I'm watching this page and can give you reasons for the namings. Note, that naming changes are not exactly the same as the earlier ones. --Kslotte (talk) 22:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - the recent cfd came to exactly the opposite conclusion. Occuli (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - a venue is a 'place' which includes a trail.Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - OK, thanks for your input. --Kslotte (talk) 11:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep. --Xdamr^talk 18:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain biking in Australia to :Category:Mountain biking venues and trails in Australia

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Same reasons as for 'Mountain biking venues and trails' . Kslotte (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Keep (or, better, rename as below) – same rationale as a few weeks ago. Occuli (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - ditto. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Comment So, renaming it to :Category:Mountain biking venues in Australia would be OK? --Kslotte (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

:* OK by me - it would seem reasonable for everything in :Category:Mountain biking venues to be of the form 'Mountain biking venues in Foo'. Occuli (talk) 21:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose Rename to reflect content of category. Alansohn (talk) 00:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Mountain biking resorts, venues and trails in the United States to :Category:Mountain biking venues in the United States. --Xdamr^talk 18:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain biking resorts, venues and trails in the United States to :Category:Mountain biking venues and trails in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Same reasons as for 'Mountain biking venues and trails'. Kslotte (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Mountain biking venues in the United States. Shorter = simpler = better. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

: I support this suggestion. --Kslotte (talk) 11:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Mountain biking venues in the United States to match the form of the parent :Category:Mountain biking venues. 96.54.48.237 (talk) 16:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Close per WP:SNOW and the functional withdrawal of the nomination by the nominator. NAC. Otto4711 (talk) 02:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain biking venues in the United Kingdom to :Category:Mountain biking venues and trails in the United Kingdom

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Same reasons as for 'Mountain biking venues and trails'. Kslotte (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Keep per the decision of 21 Aug. Occuli (talk) 00:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - a venue is a 'place' which includes a trail.Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - I support this suggestion (after some thoughts). --Kslotte (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Mountain bike races and events in the United Kingdom to :Category:Mountain biking events in the United Kingdom. --Xdamr^talk 18:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain bike races and events in the United Kingdom to :Category:Mountain biking races and events in the United Kingdom

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Having the same naming conventions for all categories in :Category:Mountain biking races and events. Additionally naming need both 'races' and 'events', since different type MTB disciplines have different naming (Freeride and Bike trials events; but for example 24 hour mountain bike races is a race). Kslotte (talk) 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Some thoughts ... maybe making it more simple and remove the word 'races' and have it only as :Category:Mountain biking events and all sub-categories named the same way. --Kslotte (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Mountain biking events in the United Kingdom. Keep things simple. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

: I support this suggestion. --Kslotte (talk) 11:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Mountain bike races and events in the United States to :Category:Mountain biking events in the United States. --Xdamr^talk 18:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Mountain bike races and events in the United States to :Category:Mountain biking races and events in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Same reasons as the United Kingdom above. Kslotte (talk) 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Mountain biking events in the United States. Keep it simple. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge :Category:Coatbridge Irish to :Category:People from Coatbridge and :Category:Scots of Irish descent. --Xdamr^talk 19:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Coatbridge Irish}}

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to :Category:People from Coatbridge and :Category:Scots of Irish descent, as suggested at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 29#Category:Coatbridge irish. Fayenatic (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- I thought that is what was decided in previous CFD, but that actually related to a mis-capitalised version of the present one. It is a pity that this was nmot dealt with at the same time. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: No Consensus. --Xdamr^talk 19:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Military personnel killed in action to TO BE DETERMINED

:Nominator's rationale: The title is misleading as the category's description indicates that it includes not only military personnel killed in action but also those who died of wounds sustained during combat. Moreover, it seems unnecessary to categorize separately those who died on the battlefield versus those who died from wounds sustained in battle after reaching a medical facility. Perhaps a more accurate title would be :Category:Military personnel killed in combat...? A second issue to consider is whether to include personnel who died of non-combat causes, such as disease, while participating in a war. (WikiProject Military history notified using {{tl|cfd-notify}}.) –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 20:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:* "Killed in combat" wouldn't cover post-combat death of wounds either, I think. Something very broad like "military personnel killed in wartime" might work, but then we'd need to consider whether we want to include or exclude edge cases like commanders assassinated (outside of actual combat) during wartime, soldiers executed by a court-martial, and so forth. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 21:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• :Category:Military personnel with combat-related deaths maybe? The "with" is kind of an odd construction but does the rest of the suggestion move us closer? Otto4711 (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Casualty would be better as it covers those who died of illness etc. Casualty is used by Commonwealth War Graves Commission. {{cl|Military casualties}}? Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC) Sorry, I withdraw that - I should have read the description in the category. The cat covers those who died in action, or of wounds from action. That means it disregards those who died of illness. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Keep -- Those who died of disease certainly do not count as KIA. The US uses this term, and I would suggest that the category should follow the definition given in the first paragraph of killed in action. This covers both those killed literally on the battlefield, and also those who subsequently die of their wounds. It would thus exclude the large number of British troops who died of disease on the Boer War and deaths from malaria in the Burmese campaigns of WWII. KIA is the recognised term. Though "killed due to combat" might be more accurate, I think we should stick with what we have. We may need a sister category for those who died of disease on campaign. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Rename to match title of parent article Killed in action. Alansohn (talk) 01:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Hank Williams Sr. albums to :Category:Hank Williams albums. --Xdamr^talk 18:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Hank Williams Sr. albums to :Category:Hank Williams albums

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match the article name Hank Williams. Tassedethe (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename per nominator. Debresser (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. --Xdamr^talk 19:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:{{Lc|College houses of the University of Chicago}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Redundant category. Simply put, no college house of the University of Chicago has its own article, and so there is no need for this category. Every single page in this category is either a redirect to a :Category: Residence halls of the University of Chicago or a residence hall with only one house. — DroEsperanto (talk) 14:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Delete – most of the redirects should be deleted as well, as there is no mention of them in the articles to which they redirect. Occuli (talk) 14:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• question I find residence halls that have a single college house; I find halls that have multiple college houses :Burton-Judson Courts. Does this match the nomination assertions? Hmains (talk) 20:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

::Yup. The only houses that (kind of) have their own articles are those of the single-house dorms, for which the article is really on the dorm, not the house community. — DroEsperanto (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Guayaquil (canton seat) to :Category:Guayaquil. --Xdamr^talk 18:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Guayaquil (canton seat) to :Category:Guayaquil (city)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. It was not immediately obvious to me how this differed from :Category:Guayaquil (canton). New name would be clearer English. Tassedethe (talk) 13:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Guayaquil to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Greeks in Serbia to :Category:Serbian people of Greek descent. --Xdamr^talk 19:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Greeks in Serbia to :Category:Serbians of Greek descent

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. This could also refer to :Category:Greek expatriates in Serbia, so rename to a less ambiguous title to match current contents. Tassedethe (talk) 12:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Object -- It is quite possible that many of those involved are of ethnic and lingistic Greeks without them or any ancestors having lived in Greece for many hundreds of years. This is a common phenomenon in the former Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe generally. In some parts of Eastern Europe people migrated to their ethnic land at the end of WWII and the Turks of Greece and Greeks of Turkey were exchanged in the 1920s, but that did not happen elsewhere. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support. The sole person linked is a citizen of Serbia of ethnic Greek ancestry. These pages (:Category:People by ethnic or national origin) typically allow both for ethnic or national descent or origin. An explanation on the page to this affect, however, should be provided for clarity Mayumashu (talk) 03:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• If renamed, rename to {{cat|Serbian people of Greek descent}}, to match {{cat|Serbian people}} and {{cat|Serbian people by ethnic or national origin}}. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Agreed Mayumashu (talk) 03:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
• As nominator I agree that :Category:Serbian people of Greek descent is better. Tassedethe (talk) 13:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Rename to reflect content of category. Alansohn (talk) 01:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Bahamian directors to :Category:Bahamian film directors. --Xdamr^talk 18:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Bahamian directors to :Category:Bahamian film directors

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. The current title is ambiguous, although the inclusion criteria state it is for "theatre directors". However the only entry is a Bahamian film director, so suggest renaming the category and altering the criteria. :Category:Bahamian theatre directors can be created if needed. Tassedethe (talk) 11:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Rename As only article in the category is for a film director, I've changed the master category to :Category:Film directors by nationality and altered the description. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Rename to better reflect content of category. Alansohn (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Great Northern Railway locomotives to :Category:Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) locomotives. --Xdamr^talk 18:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Great Northern Railway locomotives to :Category:Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) locomotives

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match top category :Category:Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) and to disambiguate from :Category:Great Northern Railway (Ireland) locomotives. Tassedethe (talk) 10:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• There was a U.S. Great Northern, too. Which I see you've nominated for speedy renaming: :Category:Great Northern Railway (US) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename all per nom. --Xdamr^talk 18:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming

:*:Category:Lithuanian scenographs to :Category:Lithuanian scenic designers

:*:Category:Polish scenographs to :Category:Polish scenic designers

:Nominator's rationale: Replace "scenographs" with the more common "scenic designers" as per the article Scenic design and :Category:Scenic designers by nationality. Tassedethe (talk) 09:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per nominator and speedy criteria #4. Debresser (talk) 11:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Renames to match title of parent articles. Alansohn (talk) 01:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge :Category:Lithuanian graphics to :Category:Lithuanian graphic designers. --Xdamr^talk 18:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Suggest merging :Category:Lithuanian graphics to :Category:Lithuanian graphic designers

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Only content is a bio of a Lithuanian graphic designer, current title suggest "Graphic designs from Lithuania" or similar. Tassedethe (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Merge per nominator. Debresser (talk) 11:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Support Merge to use category in broader structure. Alansohn (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename :Category:Journalists killed while covering the war in Afghanistan to :Category:Journalists killed while covering the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)'. --Xdamr^talk 18:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Journalists killed while covering the war in Afghanistan to :Category:Journalists killed while covering the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:Nominator's rationale: The category description claims that the category "covers the Afghan Civil War, the Soviet war in Afghanistan and the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)", but we should not mix categories for different military conflicts. In any case, all of the journalists in this category were killed in late 2001 or thereafter, so they all died while covering the War in Afghanistan (2001–present). (Category creator not notified because: indef-blocked). –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 02:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename all per nom. --Xdamr^talk 18:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:Military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:American military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:American military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

::*:Category:American military personnel killed in the War in Afghanistan to :Category:American military personnel killed in the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:Australian military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:Austrlian military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:British military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:British military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

::*:Category:British Army personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:British Army personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

::*:Category:British military personnel killed in the Afghanistan War to :Category:British military personnel killed in the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:Canadian military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:Canadian military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:Dutch military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:Dutch military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:*:Category:New Zealand military personnel of the Afghanistan War to :Category:New Zealand military personnel of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

:Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the parent category, :Category:War in Afghanistan (2001–present), and in order to clarify to which Afghanistan War (see War in Afghanistan) the categories are about. Note that my proposal does not involve using an en dash after "2001", even though the parent category does include an en dash, since past CfD discussions suggest that there is no consensus to use en dashes in category titles instead of regular dashes; see related CfD 2009 Aug 28 and related discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Dashes in category names. –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 00:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support Renames to match title of parent article. Alansohn (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. --Xdamr^talk 19:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Nonwar armed confrontations}}

:Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category is much too broad for it to be a viable grouping. A "nonwar armed confrontation" could be understood to refer to "an armed confrontation other than a war"—a definition which would encompass even events that take place in the context of a war, such as individual battles—or "an armed confrontation outside the context of a war".
While the second definition is not quite as broad, it still would be too encompassing as it would include basically any armed confrontation (violent and non-violent) that takes place outside the context of a declared war or in which both sides are not formal militaries. So, it would include: riots, protests (even if protesters are unarmed, the police often are armed), law enforcement raids, shootouts between law enforcement and criminal elements, gang shootings, massacres of civilians, internal conflict that does not rise the to level of war (such as low-level insurgency), hostage crises, domestic disputes involving weapons, armed robberies, gunfights, armed repression by a state's security forces, and a host of other events whose only similarity is that they involved weapons outside the context of a war. (Category creator notified using {{tl|cfd-notify}}.) –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 00:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Delete (was Comment): I think {subst:cfr-speedy|new name} would be appropriate to new name "Law enforcement actions." Those which are not can be moved in appropriate categories, if they are not already, like riots, pogroms and massacres. Many of them are such actions and I don't see a relevant category. If there is one, do tell. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• There is :Category:Law enforcement operations, but many of the articles in the category are not about law enforcement actions. Even of those that involve law enforcement, such as Norco shootout and North Hollywood shootout, many are essentially just shootouts instead of planned actions. –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 02:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Yes, I think the current category as is is much too vague and ill-defined. I think I'd prefer to see :Category:Shootouts, :Category:Police shootouts or some such as a sub-category to :Category:Law enforcement operations, the appropriate crime category as well as :Category:Conflicts, with the category contents that don't fit in shootouts upmerged, until such time as new confrontational categories are created. I could be convinced otherwise, though. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• Comment -- This is an thoroughly unsatisfactory category. The Malayan Emergency of the 1950s was technically not a war, because the British government did not to pay war wages to its soldiers, but would come in this category. What we have is a mixture of shootouts pogroms (massacres), etc. etc. This category covers a multitude of conflicts, and if fully populated would need to be split. So why not split it at once and then delete what remains? Peterkingiron (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
• I see above category like I suggested exists. And there is a :Category:Guerrilla wars for Malayan Emergency. Other relevant categories are :Category:Military operations :Category:Military operations by type for things like 2009 refugee crisis in Pakistan. Also there is a :Template:Infobox civilian attack, so why not a :Category:civilian attack?? Let's put things that obviously belong in better categories in them (or just remove this one where already specfically categorized, as I am doing now) and then see what's left. CarolMooreDC (talk) 00:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• I think that a category for attacks on civilians, which is what Template:Infobox civilian attack covers, would be too broad, since it would mix together terrorist attacks, criminal attacks, attacks during wartime, and so on.
  Of the articles remaining in the category (those that were removed were mainly about American Old West gunfights, pogroms, massacres, and sieges by law enforcement), at least three can be described as shootouts involving law enforcement: 1986 FBI Miami shootout, Norco shootout, and North Hollywood shootout. The Asama-Sansō incident was a hostage crisis and police siege (already in :Category:Hostage taking), the Siege of Lal Masjid was an internal military operation (already in :Category:Operations involving Pakistani special forces), the Tutt-Everett War was a long-running feud, and I'm not sure how to classify the Yasilova incident. –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 02:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Good analysis. Tutt-Everett already under :Category:Rivalry, which equals feud :-) If no one else wants fun of doing last four I'll do soon. CarolMooreDC (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Delete this cat is nonsensical. Some of the articles are about crimes one of the articles (Soapy Smith) didn't belong as the events took place during the Spanish - American War. L0b0t (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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