Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 17

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 07:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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:Propose renaming :Category:Playwrights awards to :Category:Dramatists and playwrights awards

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. I thought it would be good to rename this so that it matches the category tree for people, {{cat|Dramatists and playwrights}}. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Rename per nominator for consistency. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:12, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Support for consistencies sake. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Speedy rename per nominator. Debresser (talk) 21:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 07:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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:{{Lc|Nicknamed the king}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorization of unrelated subjects by shared nickname. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delete as classic OCAT by shared name. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. There is a long-standing consensus that we so not categorise articles by shared names. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Indeed a classic example. Could be added to that guideline as such. Debresser (talk) 21:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. :Category:Luelinks doesn't exist and has never existed, so there is nothing to discuss at CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Luelinks}}

:Nominator's rationale: Luelinks was supposed to be a GameFAQ spinoff website. In the pass it has been redirected to various articles like Penis, Vagina, Hoax... Google search finds one Wikifaq article and some sites mentioning it is a hoax. There is no mention of it in the GameFAQs website. Proposing deltion. Luka666 (talk) 06:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Question. :Category:Luelinks doesn't exist currently, and the logs show no sign of it having been deleted before. Did you mean the redirect Luelinks? If so, it should be nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, not here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: MERGE. In executing this merger, I'm just going to assume that 17 and under qualify as children here; editors with more specific knowledge may contradict me (and accuse me of laziness) without fear of offense. postdlf (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:Suggest merging :Category:Teenagers who died in Nazi concentration camps to :Category:Children who died in Nazi concentration camps

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Individual subjects are not categorized according to age. Gilliam (talk) 05:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support Merge Of course we categorize by age; That's why we have a category for children. Howevere, in this case, navigation is best aided by grouping them together. Alansohn (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Support but be careful- Margot Frank would not belong in the new category, as she was not a minor at her death. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Merge -- The unfortunate child and teenage victims had little opportunity to do much to make themselves notable in WP terms. There is thus little scope for expanding either category. I thereofre consider that we only need one of them. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• Support merge per comments above, but note that not all teenagers are children. (18- and 19-year-olds are teenagers but not children). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. Teenager is better defined than "children". The maximum age of a "child" varies from place to place, and historically. The widely accepted UN legal definition looks pretty good until you get to the wide variation of Age of majority. Take biology into account and this gets worse. Historically, within periods of war, the accepted defination of "child" decreased with increasing casualties, and I think this was the case in Europe in WWII. Even currently, it is rare to hear of 15 to 17 year olds described as "children". Stick to strictly defined terms. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:48, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Merge. Legal childhood, not biological or social childhood, is the basis for WP's application of the term "child." - choster (talk) 19:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
• Would that be the legal definition at the place & time of the death, or of the edit? I oppose the second, because a good encyclopedia should try to be timeless. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Late night programming on NBC}}

:{{Lc|Late night programming on the Fox Broadcasting Company}}

:{{Lc|First-run syndicated late night television programs}}

:{{Lc|Late night programming on CBS}}

:{{Lc|Late night programming on the American Broadcasting Company}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Looks like an unneeded intersection category by network and time of broadcast, with a loose time definition. I would normally suggest upmerge to both parent categories, but :Category:Late night television programming should be reviewed to see it it is a worthwhile category to have and if it can be clearly defined. J Greb

(talk) 05:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

::What you you mean "loose time definition" - Late night obviously means something that airs at 11:00 p.m. or later, before sunrise. It doesn't take rocket science to understand that. TMC1982 (talk) 10:16 p.m., 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delete - the presence of Top of the Pops in one of these demonstrates the difficulties. Occuli (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• There was an American version of Top of the Pops that Nia Peeples hosted, airing on CBS back in 1987.

TMC1982 (talk) 10:16 p.m., 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Many TV programs are broadcast at varying points in the schedule, and categorising TV programs in this way will lead to massive category clutter. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at CfD 2010-01-25. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Late Night (NBC)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Limited content base - articles on 3 iterations of the same show, one which has it own also included, subcategory. J Greb (talk) 05:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Weak keep has a subcategory, and another should be created for Letterman's iteration. Since it is the show, and a version of the show has its own subcategory... useful for navigation as a parent container. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 05:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|The Tonight Show production companies}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Limited content base - 3 articles currently there. Unlikely to grow. Suggest the contents get up merged. J Greb (talk) 04:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delete. Categorising companies by which companies they do business with is a recipe for category clutter, but this is an even narrower version, a categorisation of companies by which show they made. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. Scope is too limited. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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