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:The result of the discussion was: keep. We did indeed just discuss this.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Articles on deletion review to :Category:Category:Wikipedia pages that are the subjects of deletion reviews

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is populated by a template that serves all namespaces, not just articles, and the category should be renamed to reflect its actual scope. Bsherr (talk) 19:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep per 'too soon'. We have just discussed this. Occuli (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Recursion theory to :Category:Computability theory

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Should match main article. —Ruud 18:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Rename: Per nom. The terms are more or less synonyms, but to me 'computability' is broader and this reflects the articles that have been included. There seems to be quite a bit of duplication between this and the parent :Category:Theory of computation. Computability is one aspect of computation so perhaps with the rename the articles can be organized a bit better.--RDBury (talk) 08:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename. Not only is the "main article" called that, but the name makes sense as a description of what the topic is about. Michael Hardy (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:People from Uganda to :Category:Ugandan people

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. I see no useful purpose served by this category. The text in the categ says it is for "for people who are not citizens of Uganda but who were born in Uganda or who are resident in Uganda". At least one of the people in the category (Dolar Popat) was one of those Ugandan Asians expelled by Idi Amin, so presumably he was a Ugandan citizen before his expulsion; but whatever the precise citizenship status, it seems to be to me unhelpful to split "people from" categories in this way. Categories exist to facilitate navigation, but navigation is impeded by dividing "people from foo" from "Fooian people" on the basis of a pedantic split wrt to citizenship, which in any case is hard to verify. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Delete – these are explicitly not Ugandan people. Being born in Foo or being otherwise 'from' Foo does not make a person fooian. (The Ugandan Asians were mostly British as far as I recall.) I am sure we have customarily deleted 'born in' categories anyway. (Note that we have :Category:People from London but not :Category:People from England (a redirect). :Category:People from London are assumed via category inclusions to be 'English' so Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is English, apparently.) Occuli (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. I'm not too concerned about keeping the categories FOOian people limited to those with citizenship. It makes more sense to treat the category {{cat|Ugandan people}} as essentially being synonymous with "People from Uganda" without too much pedantry, as nom indicates. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Merge per consistency with all other country-people cats, which are all in fact treated as "People from Foo" and contain all people related to a given country. The only other occurrence of a similar case seems to be People from Singapore, which we could consider merging as well with Singaporean people. If we move all such categories from People by nationality to :Category:People by country it would certainly make sense and be more realistic, but we can't single out Uganda and Singapore. Place Clichy (talk) 12:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
• That might be a slightly more complex issue, since Singapore is also a city, and one could read this category as being akin to {{Cat|People from Berlin}}, for example. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
• Well, {{Cat|People from Singapore}} is currently a subcat of only {{Cat|People by country}} and {{Cat|Singapore}} (so no reference to a city classification there), and has the same weird introduction wording as the discussed Uganda cat. Plus I don't think there are other cities in Singapore than Singapore City. So a merge shouldn't be a problem. A bigger trouble would be to move all FOOian people cats to People from FOO, which would however probably make a lot more sense. Place Clichy (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
• If you look at the actual contents though, some appear to be people who lived in Singapore but were not of Singaporean nationality. Others were merely born there. It's essentially operating as a very loose/inappropriately applied "people from city" category, minus all the Singaporean nationals who live there. So I would say a deletion would be appropriate, but probably not a merge. I think we agree that one way or the other it probably should go, though. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 20:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Video games by region to :Category:Video games by country

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. More appropriate as this category is split by country. Tassedethe (talk) 16:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep, noting the outcome ("not moved") of the RM discussion at the article's talk page. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Transportation in Taiwan to :Category:Transport in Taiwan

:Propose renaming :Category:Proposed public transportation in Taiwan to :Category:Proposed public transport in Taiwan

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. :Category:Transportation in Taiwan was nominated for speedy renaming at the same time as the one below. While Transportation in Taiwan (which I've also nominated for this change at Talk:Transportation in Taiwan) makes a case the other way, I think this should be renamed. There's no clear indication that "Transportation" is in widespread use in a country that mostly speaks Hokkien and Mandarin.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• :Category:Transportation in Taiwan to :Category:Transport in Taiwan — C2C. The eponymous article matches the current category name but there is no reason for using any particular variety of English in an article about Asia. It just looks messy to have every other Asian transport category named differently to this one (except the Philippines who have some sort of connection with the US, if that's even a reason to use American English). McLerristarr | Mclay117:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose the use of speedy renaming for this since the article is Transportation in Taiwan and this is an WP:ENGVAR issue. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• No, it's not an ENGVAR issue. The whole category tree was mostly renamed to transport in a CFD. Only those countries that use American English are at transportation. Taiwan does not use any particular kind of English so should follow the rest of the category tree. A category doesn't always need to follow its eponymous article if it means it has a different format to nearly every other similar category for no other reason other than to follow the article. Taiwan does not speak English so no national style of English is preferred, therefore it should follow the rest of the category tree.McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• That's a fine argument, but it is one that should be made at a full CFD, I think, since these changes can be controversial. Others might dispute your claim that Taiwan has no dominant form of English. But as far as I can see the category names almost always match the article name in the transport tree. Good Ol’factory ^(talk)04:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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• comment what matters is not how widespread English is in a country, but the English dialect that is used by the country when English is used. For example, see the official site: [http://www.motc.gov.tw/ Ministry of Transportation and Communications]{{In lang|zh-tw}}. From what I can see, this English use of 'transportation' is from the government itself, not some subsequent translation. Hmains (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Also this site of the Executive Yuan of Taiwan: [http://www.ey.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=52759&ctNode=1327&mp=11] Hmains (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Right, but as far as I can tell, this is the only clear use of this term in Taiwan. There doesn't seem to be any general use of Americanisms over Britishisms there. But I'm not from Taiwan, so perhaps someone who is can weigh in.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Follow article name, whichever it ends up at. I don't know which is correct in this case, but it seems to me that when they do use English, Taiwanese sources use American forms. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to follow the rest of the category tree. There is no good reason to use American English so the standard format should be used. McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• do not rename There is no default to use in these cases and no presumption that British English has some kind of priority use. Evidence shows that American English is used in Taiwan by the government of Taiwan. Hmains (talk) 06:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• The default is to match the category tree, which uses British English. If we asked the Taiwanese government, I'm sure they wouldn't mind. McLerristarr | Mclay1 06:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• No, the widest default is to follow the article name, and it is a very longstanding courtesy that article names are not to be renamed willy-nilly over ENGVAR issues.- choster (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• For Pete's sake, keep and redirect from alternative. 1) Taiwan, like South Korea and to some extent the PRC, uses a mix of British and American forms. That the ministry uses "Transportation" would indicate that "Transportation" is an officially accepted local variant. 2) The proposer's argument that the category "looks messy" is no argument at all. 3) A category redirect can handle any accidental adds. Given that, I see no reason to disturb the peace here short of any project-wide effort to limit the use of North American English.- choster (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Recommend also a consistency nomination for the Canadian categories. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Transportation in the Arctic to :Category:Transport in the Arctic

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. In the mass rename of Transportation -> Transport, this one didn't get addressed. It was nominated for speedy renaming, where the WP:ENGVAR objection was raised. I think renaming is right, though. There's no ownership of the Arctic Ocean, and since we've made only a few places use "Transportation," this should default to "Transport."--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• :Category:Transportation in the Arctic to :Category:Transport in the Arctic — C2C. McLerristarr | Mclay1 17:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose the use of speedy renaming for this since this is an WP:ENGVAR issue. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• No, it's not. The whole category tree was mostly renamed to transport in a CFD. Only those countries that use American English are at transportation. The Arctic in general does not use any particular kind of English so should follow the rest of the category tree. McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• That's a fine argument, but it is one that should be made at a full CFD, I think, since these changes can be controversial. The head categories were changed to "transport", but not necessarily the subcategories, as with {{cat|Transportation in North America}}. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• there are two English-speaking arctic countries, Canada and the United States; Britain is not an Arctic country and has no say in the issue. As Canada has more Arctic Territory, Canadian English should be used. 64.229.103.232 (talk) 05:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
• It doesn't work like that. Besides, the Arctic Ocean is international water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclay1 (talk • contribs)
• Yes it does work that way, since I have shown that two countries have a strong link to the topic area, and that Britain has no link to the topic area. Thus WP:ENGVAR on which dialect of English to use indicates either Canadian or American English. And as for international water, the economic control zone of the water is largely Russian, Canadian, American, Danish (Greenland) and Norwegian. Neither Greenland, Norway or Russia is an English speaking locality, so it takes them out of the running, leaving Canadian and American. (However in Canadian English, it would more likely be "Transport" than "transportation", but both forms are used). 64.229.103.232 (talk) 06:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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• Rename per nom. If there is no single country that governs usage, we should default to what the parent category {{Cat|Transport}} uses. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename – There is no obvious English variation for the Arctic so it should follow the rest of the category tree. McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename Canadian English is the obvious English variation for the Arctic, and it uses "Transport" preferentially over Transportaiton. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Why then is it {{cat|Transportation in Canada}}? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• It should be :Category:Transport in Canada given that the main article and most of the subcategories use "transport". McLerristarr | Mclay1 07:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• It's been my personal experience that "transport" is preferred over "transportation" in Canada. However "transportation" is also widely used. But, if we call it "transportation" that would fit with both English variants that have an interest in the Arctic, what having arctic territory and all. "transport" would only fit Canadian English, which has a greater affinity to the arctic, and much more arctic territory than any country, (probably including Russia) 64.229.101.119 (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Do not renmae Given the US and Canadian use of 'Transportation' in nearly all their category names. Hmains (talk) 06:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Actually, most of Canada's transport category tree uses "transport". McLerristarr | Mclay1 07:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Perhaps you are looking at a different category tree. Look at the first level, look at the second level, etc Hmains (talk) 03:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• I could have sworn there were more last time I counted. You are probably right; however, there is a large number using "transport". After this discussion is over, a new one involving Canada is probably a good idea. McLerristarr | Mclay1 03:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 12:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Beast members to :Category:Beast (South Korean band) members

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. I suggest renaming to match Beast (South Korean band). There are multiple bands by this name. Note that {{cat|Beast (South Korean band) albums}} and {{cat|Beast (South Korean band) EPs}} already exist in this format. (Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. Wikipedia:Disambiguation provides that article page names should not be disambiguated unless there is an actual conflict. It's analogous to categories. Even though the article name is disambiguated, there is no need to do so for the category name in absence of a conflict. The content of the category page itself is sufficient to do so. --Bsherr (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Actually, category names have not typically been treated as analogous in this way, because they are different than articles and appear at the bottom of an article without further explanation. In any case (if I must), I've now created {{Cat|Beast (Canadian band) members}}, so now there is a conflict and the nominated category should be a disambiguation category. Finally, why would we deviate from the naming structure of the pre-existing categories for Beast (South Korean band)? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• The existence of the conflict resolves the matter. But to address your questions: Though category names appear without explanation, so do articles in "see also" sections. Both can also be linked to in surrounding context. Why treat them dissimilarly? If the category were to have been renamed, I wouldn't object to renaming of other categories for consistency. --Bsherr (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Why treat them dissimilarly? I'm just commenting on what past consensus has been w.r.t. categories. The "see other" section is another matter entirely that I don't know much about. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename highly ambiguous categories require constant supervision, so are renamed, regardless if the main article is not disambiguated, further if the category doesn't match a disambiguated article name, it is renamed to match. Further not just bands are called "Beast", which have members. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 18:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Support to match parent article. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 13:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Upmerge to :Category:Degrassi (franchise). Ruslik_Zero 19:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Places on Degrassi}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category is entirely comprised of one article and redirects from the same article. The article, List of places on Degrassi, can be put into :Category:Degrassi (franchise); the redirects don't need categorization.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. Do you mean redirects to the same article? They are valid search terms, and I believe they should remain categorized. Should they be moved to elsewhere in :Category:Degrassi (franchise), or do you think they should be uncategorized redirects? 117Avenue (talk) 08:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• They should be uncategorized. We don't categorize by search terms. We categorize articles, and these aren't those.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete. Categories like this are pointless when all the redirects go to the same place. In general, redirects do not need to be categorized and I've never understood the push to do so. Something can be a valid search term and it not being categorized has no effect on users' ability to search for that term and to be directed to the correct place. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete – in general some redirects can be usefully categorised, eg Degrassi Community School is usefully categorised under 'fictional schools' (someone browsing for fictional schools will find it). Someone seeking places on Degrassi would be well-advised to head for List of places on Degrassi ... one needs a few actual articles to justify a category. Occuli (talk) 15:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree. 117Avenue (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete I'm fine with including redirects in some cats but they do NOT count as an article. This cat only has one article. Upmerge the list article to :Category:Degrassi (franchise). RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery to :Category:Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Rename to match main article Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City. :Holy Cross Cemetery is ambiguous and we also have {{cat|Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery (Brooklyn)}} and {{cat|Burials at Holy Cross Cemetery (Colma)}}, so the nominated category should be a disambiguation category. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Support clearly ambiguous. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Support per above. Occuli (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Support Rename to match title of parent article and reduce obvious potential for ambiguity. Alansohn (talk) 22:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename to :Category:Anti-aircraft artillery because it now contains :Category:Anti-aircraft guns. Ruslik_Zero 08:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Air Defense Artillery}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Do we need this category? It has no parents, and it only contains the subcategory {{cat|Air defense artillery units of the United States Army}}, which pretty much contains everything that one would expect the nominated category to contain. If kept, it should probably be renamed to match the main article Air Defense Artillery Branch (United States Army). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• :Category:Air Defense Artillery to :Category:Air defense artillery — C2A Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• One reason to leave it- Within the US Army, Air Defense Artillery is actually a named branch of the army and is a proper noun. Russell.galeti (talk) 20:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Why do most of the subcategories not capitalise the term? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 20:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Not sure this subcat is even needed seeing as it's only for the U.S. Army units in its subcat. Probably should be CfD'd. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Moved to full and nominated for deletion. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• Delete. The subcategory seems to cover it.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Populate as :Category:Air defence artillery-- Other countries must have (or have had) this class of guns. CErtainly both UK and Germany had AA guns in WWII. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Why would we create a duplicate to {{cat|Anti-aircraft weapons}}? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Air defense artillery units. I've added a parent category. --Bsherr (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Note: We should get input from WP:MILHIST on this. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Air defense artillery units. I added two articles. There are probably more. Hmains (talk) 05:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Anti-aircraft artillery units. 'Triple-A' is the common name for this sort of thing. I'll also post a note at the WT:MILHIST page to request comment from the experts. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Comment (nom). If we're going to keep this as a non-exclusively-U.S. container category (which seems to be what users would like to do), the surely rename to :Category:Anti-aircraft artillery units is preferable to a rename to "air defense artillery units", since the latter seems to be uniquely the American terminology for their own AA artillery units. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to Category:Anti-aircraft artillery units per the above Nick-D (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. This area probably needs a clean up though. In real life there are a variety of elements to this: AAA units and AAA equipment. Equipment can be subdivided into fire-control, guns, and ammunition. An overall category is useful. There is a :Category:Anti-aircraft guns, which has various sub-categories.--Toddy1 (talk) 11:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• If we're keeping we need to know under what name it will be kept. The current name does not seem to be an ideal one. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. I see no other option how to name the category for Lotus Software software. Ruslik_Zero 08:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Lotus software to :Category:Lotus Software software

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is for software produced by Lotus Software, so standard naming conventions suggest that this should be the name, which would be similar to {{cat|Atlas Games games}} or {{cat|London Films films}}. (I initially proposed changing this to {{Cat|Lotus Software}} at the speedy section, but this was opposed because the category is for software; it's not an eponymous category for the company itself. But the current name is deficient because there is no company called just "Lotus".) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• :Category:Lotus software to :Category:Lotus Software — C2A, per Lotus Software Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
• Object that is not in the least clear, since "Lotus software" is a software category for software by the Lotus Corporation and successors, while your requested name is a corporate category, a different class of categorization. 65.93.12.249 (talk) 06:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• Erm..."Lotus Software" can cover "software by Lotus Software" just fine. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• Yup, it's either this or {{cat|Lotus Software software}}. I figured that the latter would not be preferred. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• It's not in the corporations heirarchy, it's in the software heirarchy. You'd need to remove it from it's heirarchy, since it can contain corporate articles after the rename.65.93.12.249 (talk) 13:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• Which is why WP:COMMONSENSE applies - and also the fact that there's no reason it can't be in both category trees. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• In this case, I would see no problem having it in both category trees. I don't mind this going to a full CFD, but I'm not sure there's much to discuss. Good Ol’factory^(talk) 20:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
• :Category:Lotus Software software makes sense to me, a la :Category:Atlas Games games. Regardless, this seems like it needs more discussion.--Mike Selinker(talk) 21:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
• Moved to full, where I've proposed {{cat|Lotus Software software}}. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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• Rename. This parallels :Category:Steve Jackson Games games (which can't be "Steve Jackson games"), :Category:General Aircraft aircraft (which can't be "General aircraft"), and the like. Sometimes there's no way to be consistent and avoid repetition.--Mike Selinker (talk) 08:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Rename. Unless the whole category structure is altered to read :Category:Software produced by Foo company this is the only way to ensure the category title matches the intended contents. Tassedethe (talk) 01:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep unless Alt Rename to :Category:Lotus Software. Change category to be eponymous and allow someone to add non-software articles if applicable. I would reluctantly vote to mangle the English language if this cat became so big it needed subcats for peoople, buildings and software, but that should be a last resort.RevelationDirect (talk) 04:50, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Main (river) basin, which was created as a result of the other discussion referenced. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Tauber basin to :Category:Main basin

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Single entry category with limited growth potential.a Vegaswikian (talk) 03:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Merge as per nom. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. This isn't about the nomination per se, but "Main basin" did not communicate to me that it was the Main River. That might deserve its own nomination later on.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Yea, I have been concerned about that. Main is a really bad word to have pointing to an article. Hopefully someone will take that to WP:RM. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• OK, the nomination is here comment if you wish. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose rename :Category:Main basin to something else, :Category:Main River basin, since "Main basin" is extremely ambiguous. And merge to that. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• If the rename of Main happens, then :Category:Main basin will likely be renamed to :Category:Main (river) basin. This discussion is not about the ambiguous nature of :Category:Main basin. You can also suggest a rename of :Category:Main basin if you believe that would help. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. This will become larger over time. See :de:Kategorie:Flusssystem Tauber. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Main (river) basin, which has since been created via CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Regnitz basin to :Category:Main basin or rename to :Category:Tributaries of the Regnitz

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Apparently this is a part of the Main basin. If this sub-basin ever gets and article, then we can reconsider the need for this subcategory. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Main basin. The article for Regnitz states that it is only 56 km long so it hardly seems to justify a sub-cat for its tributaries. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose rename :Category:Main basin to something else, :Category:Main River basin, since "Main basin" is extremely ambiguous. And merge to that. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is work in progress and 8 is quite big enough for a category. Plus there is potential for great expansion. The German Wiki category has 80 entries! --Bermicourt (talk) 07:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The scheme is the scheme, and this fits neatly in it. But there might be support for changing the scheme because it creates singletons like this. A more global nomination is needed.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Battlecruisers of Australia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• keep part of the categorization scheme. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete as per :Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy. Calistemon (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Single-item categories are acceptable when they are part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete redundant to Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy - Australia has only ever operated one battlecruiser, and it was operated by the RAN. Nick-D (talk) 05:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep – :Category:Battlecruisers is subcatted by era (war), by country and by navy. Perfectly reasonable schemes. Occuli (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per Nick-D. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep this one as part of the :Category:Battlecruisers by country scheme, which can be said to be part of an established categorization scheme (:Category:Naval ships by country, which is a subcategory of :Category:Ships by country and :Category:Military equipment by country). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ruslik_Zero 11:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry.ShipFan (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)}

• keep part of the categorization scheme. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep this one, even if it has only one entry, and delete :Category:Battlecruisers of Australia, :Category:Indefatigable class battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy and :Category:World War I battlecruisers of Australia. Calistemon (talk) 04:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Single-item categories are acceptable when they are part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Weak keep Not a very useful category, but it's needed for the usual category tree Nick-D (talk) 05:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep – :Category:Battlecruisers is subcatted by era (war), by country and by navy. Perfectly reasonable schemes. Occuli (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Comment -- All Australian battlecruisers will belong to the Royal Australian Navy. Do we really need two categories - one for the country and one for its navy? Without having investigated, I suspect that we have two parallel trees that need to be merged. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep as part of the Battlecruisers by navy category tree, which can be said to be part of an established categorization scheme (:Category:Ships by navy). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:05, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus to merge to the now-renamed :Category:Main (river) basin, but three out of four were in favour of changing the category in some way (IP user wanted to go further than the others and do an upmerge, and nominator would have been OK with that too); so rename to :Category:Franconian Saale for now. Regarding the voice opposed to doing anything: there is indeed a difference between a river and a basin, but as it stands right now, the category seems to contain articles that make it of the type contained in {{cat|Categories named after rivers}} and is not a typical "river basin" category. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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:Propose renaming :Category:Franconian Saale basin to :Category:Franconian Saale or merge to :Category:Main basin

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Really about the river and tributaries and not a basin. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:47, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Franconian Saale. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose rename :Category:Main basin to something else, :Category:Main River basin, since "Main basin" is extremely ambiguous. And merge to that. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is a big difference between a river and a basin. The basin includes all waterbodies in the catchment area including lakes, reservoirs, springs, moors, etc. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The scheme is the scheme, and this fits neatly in it. But there might be support for changing the scheme because it creates singletons like this. A more global nomination is needed.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|World War I battlecruisers of Australia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep part of a categorization scheme. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 04:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete as per :Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy. Calistemon (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Single-item categories are acceptable when they are part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per nom - Australia has only operated one BC, and it was during World War I. HMAS Australia is already directly categorised in Category:World War I battlecruisers, which seems the best way to handle things. Nick-D (talk) 05:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep – :Category:World War I battlecruisers is subcatted by country. (There might be a case for changing this by a more general upmerge.) Occuli (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Comment -- Do we really need three categories for this? Peterkingiron (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per Nick-D, ShipFan. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Nick-D. Six categories (of which four are barely populated) do not a categorization scheme make, and navigation is not helped by the existence in three categories trees of an extra layer for just one article. Upmerge the single article (HMAS Australia (1911)) to :Category:World War I battlecruisers and :Category:World War I naval ships of Australia. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
• In my opinion, what makes this different from :Category:Battlecruisers of Australia and :Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy is that this one is a triple-intersection of war, equipment and country, whereas the others intersect only two characteristics (equipment and country/navy). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Upmerge per nom. Ruslik_Zero 19:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Basins of Antarctica to :Category:Landforms of Antarctica

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. With basins being ambiguous and with limited growth potential, this category becomes one based on a shared name. Better to just upmerge. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Landforms of Antarctica. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Upmerge as suggested. Ruslik_Zero 20:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Indefatigable class battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains and will only ever contain one entry. ShipFan (talk) 03:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

:Delete as per :Category:Battlecruisers of the Royal Australian Navy. Calistemon (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. Single-item categories are acceptable when they are part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete This is pointless category - Australia only operated one of this class of ships, so it shold be categorised into Category:Indefatigable class battlecruisers to simplify things (and save one mouse click for people following this category tree). Nick-D (talk) 05:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Fair point. Changing to Delete on that reasoning. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete per reasoning above. Orderinchaos 10:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Upmerge to :Category:Indefatigable class battlecruisers which should have no subcats (there are only 3 such altogether: 1 UK, 1 Aus, 1 NZ). Occuli (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Upmerge seems a very good solution. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
• Upmerge as above. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 01:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC).
• Upmerge per Occuli. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Isère basin to :Category:Isère drainage basin or rename to :Category:Tributaries of the Isère

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basin is ambiguous. Another option is to upmerge to both parents. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Isère drainage basin. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Aude basin to :Category:Basins of the Gulf of Lion :Category:Drainage basins of the Gulf of Lion or rename to :Category:Tributaries of the Aude

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Basin is ambiguous and this is a two entry category with unclear growth potential. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Note: :Category:Basins of the Gulf of Lion was renamed to :Category:Drainage basins of the Gulf of Lion. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Nomination modified to reflect this. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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