Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 24

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:The result of the discussion was: G7. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Radio stations disestblished in 1981}}

:Nominator's rationale: Misspelled. :Category:Radio stations disestablished in 1981 already exists as a replacement. ----DanTD (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Recipients of Civil Awards from Varanasi}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete Overcategorization per WP:OVERCAT, geographical boundary does not necessarily have any relevant bearing on awards, the category title is so vague that it's useless, and award recipients of notable awards should already be grouped in lists with appropriate information, making this category obsolete per WP:OC#AWARD. (Apart from all that, the capitalization of "civil awards" is also wrong.) Hekerui (talk) 12:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete Award categories are generally discouraged.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename as proposed (per arguments of Aymatth2). Ruslik_Zero 07:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Southern Sudan politicians to :Category:South Sudanese politicians

:Nominator's rationale: The Speedy nomination below ran aground on a concern that people in this category died before South Sudan came into official existence. I disagree with that assessment. South (or Southern) Sudan existed as a geographic, political, and ethnic region for decades before gaining full independence, and the people in this category appear to all be South Sudanese. So I think this should follow the format of the rest of the subcategories of :Category:South Sudanese people.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 10:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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• :Category:Southern Sudan politicians to :Category:South Sudanese politicians — C2C per :Category:South Sudan. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
• Object - Not all Southern Sudanese politicians are South Sudanese politicians. For example, Dominic Dim Deng died 3 years before the political entity "South Sudan" came into existence. I realize that the category description sets out a broad scope for the category, but this description was added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASouthern_Sudan_politicians&action=historysubmit&diff=431688765&oldid=412158779 relatively recently] (and nearly 9 months after the category was created). I think we need separate categories for political officeholders in the governments of Southern Sudan and South Sudan. In fact, this problem is present throughout :Category:South Sudanese people; for example, Manute Bol is categorized as an activist of South Sudanese nationality, even though he died a year before South Sudan's independence. -- Black Falcon ^(talk)19:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
• Object and revisit - I think :Category:South Sudan politicians makes more sense. Can we speedy rename on that? CycloneGU (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• To be honest, I don't think that it would solve the problem. "South Sudan politicians" encompasses people who hold political office in the newly formed government of South Sudan, but it does not include politicians who held political office in the governments of the former autonomous regions of Southern Sudan (1972–1983 and2005–2011). Also, we currently categorize politicians by nationality and political office (e.g. :Category:Australian politicians, :Category:Prime Ministers of Australia), but not by the country in which the office was held (e.g. :Category:Australia politicians and :Category:Politicians of Australia are red links). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 21:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Point taken. I still think we need a new category for current politicians, but how to categorize former politicians in the former government is a more touchy issue. CycloneGU (talk) 22:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Yes, we do need one. I think we may actually need multiple categories: :Category:South Sudanese politicians, for post-independence politicians of South Sudanese nationality, and :Category:Southern Sudan politicans, for pre-independence politicians (of Sudanese nationality) involved in the governments of the former autonomous regions of South Sudan. The latter could even be split further into :Category:Southern Sudan (1972–1983) politicians/:Category:Southern Sudan Autonomous Region politicians and Southern Sudan (2005–2011) politicians. Initially, there would be significant overlap in the contents of the categories, but this would diminish over time. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Keep This invites a gray area. Lets keep it simple and define south sudanese politicians as exclusively and clearly ones who come from the now nascent polity.Curb Chain (talk) 13:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. Someone has already moved a bunch of the articles that were in this category to {{Cat|South Sudanese politicians}}, but then that category was deleted because they blanked the page. The articles remain in the red-linked category, however, and one way or another I suspect that category needs to result, either as a wholesale rename or as a different category. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment I am ambivalent about the name, but the category should be limited to those who are politicians within the current country. The precedent is found in things like :Category:Serbian politicians and :Category:Yugoslav politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Neither keep nor Rename - Both categories are inaccurate for current politicians in South Sudan. :Category:South Sudan politicians is a much more appropriate category, and if any name would not fall into that due to being from the autonomous government, we'd need a category for that as a sub-category; :Category:Southern Sudan politicians works for this, but we can also use something identifying that they are from the autonomous governments up to 2011. CycloneGU (talk) 14:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• :Been thinking about it and changed my mind. Just as politicians from Canada are Canadian, America are American, South Sudan are South Sudanese. Rename CycloneGU (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• Have separate categories for pre and post independence, no strong opinions on naming. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
• Rename as proposed. As the nominator points out, the concept of "South Sudan" dates back to the colonial era, a region inhabited by South Sudanese. With the rename, the category neatly covers politicians from this region who were active before and/or after independence. I see no value in a separate "post-independence" category, since virtually every member of the post-independence category will also belong in the pre-independence category. One category is enough, at least for now. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. A user has (again) created :Category:South Sudanese politicians in the midst of this discussion. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame members}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is a well established precedent of deleting categories such as these. I can't find the exact link, but I know for a fact there was a "Category:Virginia Sports Hall of Fame inductees" discussion that resulted in deletion. This is overcategorization at its finest. Jrcla2 (talk) 06:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. We already have a whole tree of sport specific categories for Virginia Tech. With the amount of cats many sportspeople are in, there is no reason that a notable football player should end up in two for his time at Virginia Tech, one is sufficient.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Naval battles of the Modern era to :Category:Naval battles post-1945

:Nominator's rationale: To go with the parent category :Category:Battles post-1945; which is in the recently created :Category:Warfare post-1945. To historians the Modern era is post c1800, after the Early Modern era. Hugo999 (talk) 00:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• Rename as nominated, cf. :Category:Modern history which is different as stated above. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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