Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 June 2#Category:Opposition to Islam

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:The result of the discussion was: split, which has already been done. I should note that :Category:18th-century Quaker meetinghouses and :Category:19th-century Quaker meetinghouses use no space between "meeting" and "house," while the article is Meeting house. So cleaning those up one way or the other would be good.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Quaker meetings to :Category:Quaker meeting houses

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category really contains articles and categories for the actual meeting houses. There is one article (the main article) and one category on meetings. If this rename happens, those two items can either be moved to the parent :Category:Quakerism or allow this category to be recreated for those two items and :Category:Quaker meeting houses. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Keep but create new category for buildings as suggested in nomination. (I have tidied up the contents by sub-categorising them by country, which wanted doing anyway, and does not affect the point of this CFD.) - Fayenatic (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Since you cleaned this up, creating the subcategories is simple and does not need help from a bot to do the heavy work. So I'm happy with a Keep decision and will add the new subcategory and fix up the parent categories. Which I did. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
• Keep, since the reworking of this category, inline with the above proposal. It seems a good solution. Zangar (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. A one-paragraph article about a novel whose author has no article defeats even the established "categorize all novels by author" scheme. This is hardly To Kill a Mockingbird, which has both a major article and a major article about the author.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Novels by Angelo Tumino}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unlikely to expand to a useful population Skomorokh 18:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Keep – part of the established :Category:Novels by author scheme. Obviously the author is a defining characteristic of a novel. Occuli (talk) 00:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
• Keep per Occuli, and also compare with this. Lugnuts (talk) 08:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

::I don't particularly mind if this is kept, but seriously, what is the point in having categories with only one member article? We don't even have an article on the author... Skomorokh 11:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• What about that lack of a parent article? I can't find it in WP:OC, but this is a criterion that we've used in the past to delete categories, is it not? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
• Delete. I do think that we should have an article about the author if we are going to categorize by authorship of the author. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep. This has multiple direct sub-categories; the comparison with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20110602064635&target=Cydebot deletion of Boticelli] does not stand, as that had only one direct sub-category, which remains in place to hold the next tier of sub-categories together; [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110509231850&target=Cydebot Thackeray] had only two. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

: Delete {{Lc|Plan B (musician)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Completely unneeded eponymous category. If we don't need Botticelli or Thackeray, we don't need this. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Keep – with 6 subcats (unlike the 2 cited) this is a clear keep. Occuli (talk) 00:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

:: Botticelli had 5 subcats - I don't see 5 & 6 as a substantial difference. Nor do I see a musician being currently in the charts as over-ruling WP:OC#EPONYMOUS, when a major artist isn't entitled to the same treatment. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• Keep as per Occuli. It is consistent with other entries in :Category:Categories named after British musicians. Cjc13 (talk) 11:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv (talk) 10:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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:Propose merging :Category:The Spectacular Spider-Man (TV series) characters to :Category:All parents

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. No iteration of a mainstream Spider-Man character that pertains to this series is notable. There is no reason to maintain this category for the single entry. Harley Hudson (talk) 09:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Merge as nominated, no scope for expansion. - Fayenatic (talk) 07:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Merge per nominator.--Crazy runner (talk) 17:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv (talk) 10:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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:Propose merging :Category:Fantastic Four (1994 TV series) to :Category:Fantastic Four television series

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. There is no indication that subjects related to the 1994 series will become independently notable so there is no reason to maintain a separate category for the series. Harley Hudson (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Merge, agree on notability and lack of scope for expansion. - Fayenatic (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Merge per nominator.--Crazy runner (talk) 17:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Fantastic Four television series episodes to :Category:Fantastic Four television series

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. No individual episodes of either of these series is ever likely to become individually notable. There is no justification for splitting off two list articles into an "episodes" subcat. Harley Hudson (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Merge, the contents are already individually categorised within Lists of episodes. - Fayenatic (talk) 07:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Merge per nominator. --Crazy runner (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/merge both to :Category:Anti-Islam.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Opposition to Islam to :Category:Anti-Islam sentiment

:Propose renaming :Category:Anti-Islam sentiment to :Category:Anti-Islamism

:Nominator's rationale: Merge followed by Rename. I'm not seeing any functional difference between being "opposed" to Islam and being "anti-Islam". The article Islamism indicates to me that the term is an acceptable synonym for the purposes of this categorization scheme. A single parent :Category:Anti-Islamism appears to me to be appropriate. If the rename fails merging the "opposition to" and "anti" categories still makes sense. Harley Hudson (talk) 08:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. It is possible to go beyond "anti-Islamism" and be simply "anti-Islam". If I disagree with Islamist terrorists and want to preserve the separation between church and state in a Muslim-majority country, I might be "anti-Islamist", but not necessarily "anti-Islam". But if I go around burning the Koran and saying Muhammad was a pedophile, maybe I'm just "anti-Islam". Some of the articles in {{cat|Anti-Islam sentiment}} aren't limited to anti-Islamism, such as Qur'an desecration. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

:Should we make a category "Cateogory:Anti-Islamist"?Curb Chain (talk) 23:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Alternative merge, Oppose rename. As for the rename: although other members of :Category:Opposition to religion are "Anti-fooism", the proposed name does not work because Islamism has a meaning that is different from Islam. As for the merge: :Category:Anti-Islam sentiment defines itself by Islamophobia, but category membership by that criterion is debatable due to POV, e.g. consider Jihad Watch. Likewise, as for the suggested distinction between opposing Islamism and opposing Islam, I think this would give rise to difficulties in practice. There is already an intermediate :Category:Criticism of Islam and I suggest merging :Category:Anti-Islam sentiment to that instead. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Related suggestion while we are here: Most of the articles currently in :Category:Criticism of Islam are biographies and should probably be removed and selectively added to List of critics of Islam, see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 27#Category:Critics of Islam. How about adding a note on the category page that the list should be used rather than the category for individuals? - Fayenatic (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

:* If you believe an article is inappropriately categorized you can remove it without input from the community. Similarly you can add names to the list, with reliable sourcing of course. Harley Hudson (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

• Merge and rename to "Anti-Islam" - I agree with some of the comments above. Let's just mimic the way other "anti-fooism" categories are treated in :Category:Opposition to religion. NickCT (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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