Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 20

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: rename and expand scope, as discussed. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Ground-based aviation electronic systems to :Category:Aeronautical navigation systems

:Nominator's rationale: As it stands, this is a rather awkwardly named category that (previously) incuded a number of aeronautical aids to navigation, air traffic control radar, and air traffic control itself. With the latter two removed (to the appropriate :Category:Air traffic control), however, a clear and logical scope emerges; hence, the proposed renaming. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

::Rename (per nom). DexDor (talk) 07:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC) (creator of category)

• Oppose these are ground based nav aids, not every sort of nav system, unless you're proposing to increase coverage to include inertial navigation, GPS, startrackers, etc? 70.24.248.23 (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
• Yes, that is exactly my intent. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
• Neutral then. Did you mention this to WP:AVIATION? 70.24.248.23 (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
• It's on the Aviation DELSORT page, yes. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: {{relisted}} at 2011 DEC 7 CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Articles with MusicBrainz release links}}

:Nominator's rationale: Why does this exist? Similar templates—{{tl|metacritic}}, {{tl|allmusic}}, {{tl|discogs master}}, etc.—lack this, so I don't see why it's particularly useful for {{tl|MusicBrainz release}}. There is no explanation in the category itself and nothing links to it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Delete – this seems to be a hidden maintenance category added by {{tl|MusicBrainz release}} but I can't see that there is any maintenance value whatever. Occuli (talk) 19:33, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
• Keep (for now) - I created this category due to the recent major changes in MusicBrainz (commonly referred to as NGS for Next Generation Schema). As a result of this change, the semantics of what constitutes a 'release' changed. What Wikipedia should now be linking to is a release group (for which there is a different template) as releases are specific to a date and country, while a group collects together all releases on different countries and dates (as Wikipedia pages do). Releases can also now be multi-disc, whereas in the past they was a release per disc. As a result, some Wikipedia pages have multiple MusicBrainz release links which need converting to a single release group link. Such conversion requires finding all releases and changing them (similar to how albums currently need to have the reviews in the infobox replaced). If someone could point me to a good way to add this information to the category page, I'll do so. I do think the cat. should be kept until it becomes redundant (by being empty or near-empty if some special cases are found). Gnu andrew (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

:*Note I would recommend simply adding this rationale to the category page by using the edit button. As for whether or not this is worth tracking and amending, I'll leave that to other commentators. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Grunge music to :Category:Grunge

:Nominator's rationale: Per main article and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_January_23#Category:Grunge. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

:What about :Category:Grunge (lazy journalism) instead... ;-) Lugnuts (talk) 09:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Speedy C2C - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus to rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Album covers to :Category:Audio recording covers or :Category:Covers of albums and singles

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per concerns at Template_talk:Non-free_album_cover#Proposed_change:_clarify_that_this_doesn.27t_just_apply_to_albums, the thread for renaming the associated template has been recently opened there. Brandmeister t 03:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Rename This is straight-forward—single covers are included. Also note that subcats. such as :Category:Album covers by recording artist would be renamed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose :Category:Auto recording covers - I can see the point that "album covers" might be a bit odd for including singles, but "Audio recording covers" doesn't work at all - is it a category for cover versions of audio recordings? It's far too ambiguious while "album covers" makes the purpose clear with a dash of WP:COMMONSENSE/WP:IAR for including singles. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

:*Then maybe "Covers of albums and singles"... Brandmeister t 19:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

::*That I can support - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

:::*Well At the risk of just being overly technical, I really like :Category:Covers to audio recordings the best, in case there is anything other than an album or a single (as EPs are sometimes considered.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

::::*But that introduces a massive ambiguity, in the same fashion as I said above. Not as severe, true, but it's still there. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• Keep as is. I see no problem with this. It's not categorizing articles, but files when using the {{tl|Non-free album cover}} template. The definition just doesn't have to be as straightforward or strict in these cases. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 09:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

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