Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 13

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Venues in Melbourne to :Category:Buildings and structures in Melbourne and :Category:Visitor attractions in Melbourne

:Nominator's rationale: Merge to :Category:Buildings and structures in Melbourne and :Category:Visitor attractions in Melbourne. This is apparently the only by city event venue category and at this time I don't see a reason to expand or continue this by city tree. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

::These may also need to be included in an appropriate subcategory of :Category:Event venues. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:35, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Thunderbirds locations, objects and vehicles to :Category:Thunderbirds (TV series)

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Too wide; both this and the head category only contain a few pages. The pages are already categorised within fictional vehicles, locations etc. – Fayenatic London 20:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Merge. There is little prospect of any new articles being categorised here (and none of the articles present in this category are really about objects, only locations and vehicles). Up-merging seems reasonable enough to me. SuperMarioMan 20:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge The parent category is tiny and could easily absorb what is a rather heterogeneous collection of articles. Mangoe (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split to :Category:Types of radios and :Category:Models of radios. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Types of radios to :Category:UNKNOWN

:Nominator's rationale: Split to :Category:Radios, or :Category:Radio models, or something similar. A few of these are about types in the usual sense, e.g. crystal radio and survival radio, but most are specific models in the history of radio. There is already :Category:Radiofrequency receivers but the contents there seem to be rather different, viz. very technical pieces of equipment. – Fayenatic London 19:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Split to :Category:Types of radios and :Category:Models of radios. "radio models" doesn't work, since that's a word also used for RC-models. And for models of RF radiation. "Category:Radios" is just unclear. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 05:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Utility software type to :Category:Types of utility software

:Nominator's rationale: Rename following others, see Special:Prefixindex/Category: Types of. – Fayenatic London 19:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: Would it be useful to have a head category for such categories of articles about generic subjects? Note that they are different from and generally excluded from :Category:Categories by type, which hold sub-categories of individual things by type, as opposed to the generic articles here. – Fayenatic London 19:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Red dead redemption to :Category:Red Dead

:Nominator's rationale: There is not enough material about the video game Red Dead Redemption to justify an eponymous topic category. I created :Category:Red Dead as a topic category for the entire Red Dead series and still found only a dozen pages. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, and rename :Category:Red Dead and Red Dead to :Category:Red Dead (series) and Red Dead (series). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• :I'd have no problem with the second change if the article is renamed first, though I'm not sure that it should be. Is the undisambiguated title ambiguous? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• ::Well, since the lede of Red Dead says "Red Dead is a Western action-adventure third-person shooter video game series" (emphasis mine), and there is no game called "Red Dead" itself, it needs to be either "Red Dead series" or "Red Dead (series)", IMHO. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• ::RM discussion. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge the nominated category anyway, whatever happens to the target or the lead article. – Fayenatic London 07:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge per nom, rename closed as no rename. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted CSD G7 as ZSpeed agrees it should be deleted and there are no keep votes. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Iran Locations}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplicate category; :Category:Populated places in Iran already exists. SuperMarioMan 18:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:Delete: when I made this category I was still pretty new and I just wanted to do something to occupy my time. ZSpeed (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

::Tagged for speedy deletion given the above comment. Pichpich (talk) 14:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as irregular creation out of line with regular schemes.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Athletics competitions by host to :Category:Athletics competitions by country

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:* Propose merging :Category:Athletics competitions hosted by France to :Category:Athletics competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Water polo competitions hosted by France to :Category:Water polo competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Athletics competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Athletics competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Diving competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Diving competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Basketball competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Basketball competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Basketball competitions by host to :Category:Basketball competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Golf competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Golf tournaments in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Polo competitions by host to :Category:Polo competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Polo competitions hosted by France to :Category:Polo competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Basque pelota competitions by host to :Category:Basque pelota competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Basque pelota competitions hosted by France to :Category:Basque pelota competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Tennis competitions hosted by France to :Category:Tennis tournaments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Cricket competitions by host to :Category:Cricket competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Cricket competitions hosted by France to :Category:Cricket competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Croquet competitions by host to :Category:Croquet competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Croquet competitions hosted by France to :Category:Croquet competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Football competitions by host to :Category:Association football competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Football competitions hosted by France to :Category:Football competitions in France

:* Propose renaming :Category:Gymnastics competitions hosted by France to :Category:Gymnastics competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Water polo competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Water polo competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Gymnastics competitions by host to :Category:Gymnastics competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Swimming competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Swimming competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycling competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Cycling competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Boxing competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Boxing competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Roque competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Roque competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Wrestling competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Wrestling competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Lacrosse competitions hosted by the United States to :Category:Lacrosse competitions in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Lacrosse competitions by host to :Category:Lacrosse competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Diving competitions by host to :Category:Diving competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Roque competitions by host to :Category:Roque competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Boxing competitions by host to :Category:Boxing competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Tug of war competitions by host to :Category:Tug of war competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Tug of war competitions hosted by France to :Category:Tug of war competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Rowing competitions by host to :Category:Rowing competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Rowing competitions hosted by France to :Category:Rowing competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Sailing competitions hosted by France to :Category:Sailing competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Archery competitions by host to :Category:Archery competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Archery competitions hosted by France to :Category:Archery competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Equestrian competitions hosted by France to :Category:Equestrian sports competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycling competitions hosted by France to :Category:Cycling competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Rugby union competitions by host to :Category:Rugby union competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Rugby union competitions hosted by France to :Category:Rugby union competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Shooting competitions hosted by France to :Category:Shooting competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Fencing competitions by host to :Category:Fencing competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Fencing competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Fencing competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Tennis competitions by host to :Category:Tennis tournaments by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Tennis competitions in Greece to :Category:Tennis tournaments in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Golf competitions by host to :Category:Golf tournaments by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Golf competitions hosted by France to :Category:Golf tournaments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:Swimming competitions hosted by France to :Category:Swimming competitions in France

:* Propose merging :Category:ISSF shooting competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Shooting competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Tennis competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Tennis tournaments in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Weightlifting competitions by host to :Category:Weightlifting competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Weightlifting competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Weightlifting competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Swimming competitions by host to :Category:Swimming competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Swimming competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Swimming competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycling competitions by host to :Category:Cycling competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycling competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Cycling competitions in Greece

:* Propose merging :Category:ISSF shooting competitions by host to :Category:ISSF shooting competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Wrestling competitions by host to :Category:Wrestling competitions by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Wrestling competitions hosted by Greece to :Category:Wrestling competitions in Greece

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:Nominator's rationale: Merge all these. The categories "SportX competitions in Foo" are already used in the sense "hosted by" and it's not like there exist rogue sports competitions that are held in France against French will. I think the intent is to separate certain kinds of international competitions that aren't always held in the same country and where one country is considered a host but there's no formal definition of this and by trying to separate these, we're probably making it harder for our readers to find what they're looking for. Pichpich (talk) 14:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge noncontroversial speedy as duplicate with author's consent. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Rally templates to :Category:Rallying templates

:Nominator's rationale: I think these are logically the same category. I suspect {{cl|Rally templates}} was created (in 2011) without knowledge of the existence of {{cl|Rallying templates}} (created in 2008). DH85868993 (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:Support: Appear to cover the same topic, and the older category has a less ambiguous name. "Rally" could mean any gathering of people for one purpose, while "rallying" used as a noun is almost always in reference to the motor sport. Pyrope 13:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:Support: As mentioned above, I was completely unaware (until today) of {{cl|Rallying templates}}. I only created the category because it was a red-link in Special:WantedCategories. ^Avic_ennasis @ 19:57, 25 Av 5772 / 19:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted by {{user|Vegaswikian}}. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Roman Catholic chuches completed in 1905}}

:Nominator's rationale: Empty category created with spelling error Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 09:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy delete -- an obvious error. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Internet broadcasting. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Internet Broadcasting}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single entry category for a private company with little chance of expansion, too easily confused with legitimate category :Category:Internet broadcasting. Dravecky (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Merge -- This is unlikely to be a large enough company to need its own category, but the article should presumably be in :Category:Internet broadcasting. That article may need to be renamed, or possibly a "not to be copnfused with" hatnote on the articles would do the trick. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge :Category:Heroes (TV series) task force to :Category:Heroes task force. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 7 was about renaming from WikiProject; since then, qualifiers such as TV series have not been used on others. – Fayenatic London 07:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Heroes task force to :Category:Heroes (TV series) task force

:Nominator's rationale: Redundant duplicate category. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 06:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Reverse merge per Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Heroes task force. WikiProjects and task force are not strictly bound by article naming. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
• :Comment I'm neutral on what to merge where, but no need for duplication. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 06:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
• Reverse merge per BF. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge (opposing the reverse merge). I believe there is a superhero task force which this could be confused with. - jc37 23:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There was agreement to rename to something, but none of the proposals for a new name has gained consensus.
The suggested "buildings of law" has some support, but discussion stalled a month ago. Feel free to make a fresh nomination without delay. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Legal buildings in London to :Category:National government buildings in London

:* Propose deleting :Category:Legal buildings in London

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge This category corresponds to one on Commons but I'm not sure it makes sense here. Note first that there is no "legal buildings" categorization subtree anywhere else on Wikipedia which means that readers are unlikely to go looking for Category:Legal buildings in London and that this category is missing one logical parent. Moreover, we already have London subcategories for Courts, Inns of Chancery and Prisons so the merge won't create a big mess upstream. Pichpich (talk) 02:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

:Nominator's rationale: Tim! correctly points out that my original proposal for a merge doesn't work. However, I would favor deletion because there's no "legal buildings" categorization subtree and because, as Peterkingiron explains below, the link between some of these buildings is rather tenuous. Pichpich (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose something like Lincoln's Inn is not a national government building. Tim! (talk) 06:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

::That pretty much kills my original merge proposal, sorry about that. Pichpich (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose but rename somehow -- This category has a unity, relating to the administration of justice, but the name is not ideal. As Tim! has said they are not all governmental. The converse of "legal buildings" would be illegal buildings, so that the present name will not do. Another possibility would be a plain delete, on the basis that prisons, courts and Inns of Court [not Inns of Chancery - which are long defunct] are disparate and should not be in a single category. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Buildings of law. Note, :category:Courthouses would logically fall in such a category-tree but right now it's just in :category:Government buildings. --Lquilter (talk) 02:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• :Do you mean perhaps :Category:Buildings of law in London? If this category is kept, shouldn't it be London specific? Pichpich (talk) 03:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

::: Sure, that's fine. I imagine that there will be a need for an entire category tree though, since London isn't the only place to have "buildings of law". --Lquilter (talk) 23:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Archaeological sites in Europe. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Archaeological sites in Europe by country to :Category:Archaeological sites in Europe

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Redundant as per category scope. Zoupan 01:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose -- The tag on the parent should be implemented and the country articles moved down to the by country category. This will leave this as a parent for "by period", "by region" (which is probably unnecessary) and "by country". Strictly Corsica is not a country and arguably the Channel Islands are not, but we should not be pedantic about this. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge. The corresponding categories for other continents do not have an intermediate "by country" category level. This one does have some use, as :Category:Archaeological sites in Europe by region contains a sub-cat for the Balkans, and the countries within that should not normally also be in the supercategory :Category:Archaeological sites in Europe because of the WP:SUBCAT principle. However, in this case I think it is better to upmerge both the nominated category and the "by region" category. The countries in the Balkans need not feel slighted at being down in an intermediate level category (Balkans below Europe), because they will still be in the worldwide :Category:Archaeological sites by country. – Fayenatic London 12:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
• Merge there is nothing gained by having a specific "by country" category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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