Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 22

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Preserved beam engines to :Category:Individual beam engines

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Articles about individual pieces of equipment are generally named individual. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose -- The point is that these ones are preserved. We might have (but probably never will) hundreds of articles about beam engines that have been scrapped, which would properly belogn in the suggested target. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Tree is Preserved steam engines > Preserved stationary steam engines > Preserved beam engines. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C/C2D. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hurricane stubs to :Category:Tropical cyclone stubs

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. To match the permanent category ({{cl|Tropical cyclones}}) and main article (tropical cyclone). "Hurricane" and "Typhoon" are local names for the more general "tropical cyclone". Propose renaming template {{tl|hurricane-stub}} to {{tl|tropical-cyclone-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. – Fayenatic London 20:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Doctor Who radio stories}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Redundant to :Category:Doctor Who audio plays; all the contents are also in the latter which has a well-developed set of sub-categories, e.g. :Category:Eighth Doctor audio plays. – Fayenatic London 21:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• I think that there should be a distinction between audio plays broadcast on radio and those which have only be released on CD. I think :Category:Doctor Who audio plays should not be a subcategory of :Category:Science fiction radio programs because the majority have never been broadcast. Tim! (talk) 06:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
• Maybe not on R3 or R4, but I was assuming that Nick Briggs had got round to introducing most of them by now with his corny jokes on BBC7. Hey, when did that get renamed as BBC Radio 4 Extra? Anyway, it still has two hours a day of "[http://beta.bbc.co.uk/radio4extra 7th Dimension]" to fill with sci-fi audio recordings. Ah, [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009szrh/broadcasts/2007/09 this] may be a complete record of BBC radio broadcasts from September 2007 to date... and [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009szrh/episodes/guide this] seems to be a complete list of the BBC radio stories – more than the current category members, but much less than I thought. I'll withdraw this CfD. – Fayenatic London 20:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Horse-related accidents and incidents. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:24, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Horse-related accidents to :Category:Horse accidents

:Nominator's rationale: Contrived and vague usage; people ordinarily say "horse accident". This may be the only accident category which uses "related". Mangoe (talk) 14:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Horse-related accidents and incidents - Looking over List of horse accidents several of these are not accidental. Oppose removing -related, as the accident or incident may have been horse-related, but may not have directly involved (affected/injured) a horse. - jc37 16:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

:*I would rather prune those that are not accidental (e.g. the suffragette who committed suicide by throwing herself in front of a horse). Co-opting the subject of the article in order to justify the naming scheme doesn't strike me as a good approach. And if we have to get fastidious about whether the horse was injuries, I would sooner prefer :Category:Accidents involving horses; but then we'll end up renaming all the rest of the accidents in the same manner. I think that people understand that "horse accidents" here is to be understood as "involving horses" rather than as "to horses". Mangoe (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

::* On these sorts of things, there's such a fine line at times. Plus there are those things which are "unknown" the cause. As for -related, while I'd like to presume others' understanding, we both have seen (even just at CfD alone) how people can come up with surprising interpretations of terms : ) - I understand your concern about -related having a potential subjective feature, which is part of why I'm not strongly tied to it. But, I do think it's more clear with it, than without it. - jc37 18:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Use "accidents and incidents" as defining what an "accident" is can be controversial. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 09:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:People from Owasso, Oklahoma and :Category:Mayors of places in Oklahoma. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mayors of Owasso, Oklahoma to :Category:People from Owasso, Oklahoma

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Only has one entry ...William 13:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Agree but also upmerge to :Category:Mayors of places in Oklahoma. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
• Upmerge per PKI.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hellcat Records groups to :Category:Hellcat Records artists

:Nominator's rationale: Per consistency with other record labels' categories. benzband (talk) 09:49, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

::And the fact that they're not all groups. benzband (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Rename speedily per nom. Mangoe (talk) 12:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7. Jenks24 (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who like Taylor Swift}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. All "Wikipedians by individual band/artist" categories were previously deleted here due to being too narrow to foster collaboration. Additionally "who like" as this particular category has does not suggest any inclination to collaborate. Further, this particular category was previously brought for debate but was requested for deletion by the author amidst the discussion, see here. Suggest a full length discussion proceed so G4-deletion precedent can be established this time. VegaDark (talk) 04:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedians who aspire to attend The University of Cambridge}}

• {{Lc|Wikipedians who aspire to be PhD students}}
• {{Lc|Wikipedians who aspire to go to university}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete all - We each can "aspire" to do numerous things, but it doesn't foster collaboration to categorize us by such aspirations. If allowed, this would open the door to any number of "who aspire to" categories. VegaDark (talk) 04:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Delete. Appears to be populated by a userbox that categorises. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Game images}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Two member categories and Warhammer media‎ can be included in the other one. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - per SMALLCAT. and Warhammer isn't a video game. (Check out the images in the cat.) - jc37 02:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. I've added :Category:Board game covers into it, and a second link to Commons. – Fayenatic London 13:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep. Self closing since it is clear that this is not going to be deleted. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Pumping stations}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Really more of a discussion. This is a collection of pumping stations. Some are for water supply, some for sewage systems and others for agricultural use. So this is effectively a collection of like named things which we tend to avoid. One option could be to split it out by type, but given the size, I'm not sure that is called for. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Keep but it do think it is not really the within the "spirit" of WP categorisation. And isn't "named things" what categories are for? I have added a couple of categories. Given the size I am not keen on a split-- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• keep Pumping stations are what kind of structure they are. No more a strange collection of things than any other category, such as schools, fire houses, dams, etc. Hmains (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• keep, maybe add cats Most of the British examples appear to belong somewhere in the "listed Grade X" categorization, and probably ought to be placed there somehow; I'll place a note with the appropriate WP since I don't know enough about their historic place/thing system to deal with it. That said, from an engineering point of view, pumping is pumping. They are "like-named" because they are all doing the same thing. That the material pumped is somewhat different and the reason for the pumping is somewhat different is not important. Mangoe (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. Looks very underpopulated, and in need of subcategories. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep See also {{Commons category inline|Pumping stations}}. Like Commons, this could usefully be sub-categorized as water supply, sewerage, land drainage and possibly docks too. I fail to understand the complaint " a collection of like named things". These aren't just things called "pumping" and "station", they're large infrastructure plants dedicated to pumping. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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