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= July 10 =

== Benedictine College (Kansas) alumni ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge per request of the category creator. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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== UCLA Bruins Track and field athletes ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename - C2C. The Bushranger One ping only 20:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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== UCLA Bruins water polo players ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename - C2C. The Bushranger One ping only 20:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Stanford water polo players ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 20:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Space adventure video games ==

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy delete G4 - recreation of content deleted following discussion. The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Space adventure video games}}

:Nominator's rationale: Recreation of deleted category following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_June_12#Category:Space_adventure_video_games.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 08:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Centre College athletics ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 00:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming all of the following:

:**:Category:Centre Praying Colonels to :Category:Centre Colonels

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels athletic directors to :Category:Centre Colonels athletic directors

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels baseball to :Category:Centre Colonels baseball

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels baseball players to :Category:Centre Colonels baseball players

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels football to :Category:Centre Colonels football

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels football bowl games to :Category:Centre Colonels football bowl games

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels football coaches to :Category:Centre Colonels football coaches

:** :Category:Centre Praying Colonels football players to :Category:Centre Colonels football players

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Centre College used the "Praying Colonels" nickname for many decades, most notably in the school's football heyday in the 1920s. However, Centre now uses "Colonels" almost exclusively, as a quick look around the school's [http://www.centreathletics.com official athletic site] can confirm. Note also that the school's official [http://www.centreathletics.com/information/about_athletics/about_athletics "Abour Athletics" page] calls the team simply the "Colonels". None of the articles on Centre football seasons of the 1920s need to be changed; "Praying Colonels" was the correct nickname for that era. — Dale Arnett (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Change the established precedent is that we use the current name of the team and apply it retroactively to those who played on the teams when they used other names.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Washburn Ichabods men's basketball players ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Washburn Ichabods men's basketball players to :Category:Washburn Ichabods basketball players

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Washburn University uses "Ichabods" only for men's sports; the school uses "Lady Blues" for women's sports. I just renamed the main Washburn athletics article to reflect this fact. The school's [http://www.wusports.com official athletics site] makes this obvious—the banner headline states, "The Official Website of the WASHBURN ICHABODS AND LADY BLUES" (emphasis added). There are even separate pull-down menus for "Ichabods" and "Lady Blues" teams. — Dale Arnett (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Rename to reflect usage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Query Given that the parent category is :Category:College men's basketball players in the United States, shoudn't its subcats all be "Foo Bar men's basketball players" regardless of team name considerations? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • No. While most colleges and universities use the same nickname for men's and women's teams, Washburn is one of a significant minority of schools with different nicknames for the two. The de facto convention for college sports categories is that when a nickname is exclusive to teams of one sex (e.g., {{cl|Oklahoma State Cowboys basketball}} and {{cl|Oklahoma State Cowgirls basketball}}), "men's" or "women's" does not need to be included, as the nickname is sufficient to uniquely identify the team. — Dale Arnett (talk) 22:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Hm. I'm not going to stir the pot, but I believe that shouldn't be the case, as it leads to the subcategories of the parent cat having differing styles when there is an alternative, uniform style that is also correct. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment I think a good example of why this is not problematic is :Category:Detroit Tigers players. With team names we never provide more information than neccesary. There is no reason to call the category :Category:Oklahoma State Cowgirls women's basketball players that is needlessly wordy, and from that fact we move to avoiding neddlessly wordy titles where they are less clearly unneeded (this comes up with schools that call their women's teams the "lady lions" or such, a case unlike cowboys or minutemen in that the problematic of the name for a female team does not exist.)John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, the Tigers are a bad example because there's no men/women dabbing needed at all for MLB teams! I can see the point...but it still irks my possibly slightly OCD mind to see a category tree using two different naming formats. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:27, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: An example within the college sports tree is {{cl|Tennessee Volunteers basketball players}} (men) and {{cl|Tennessee Lady Volunteers basketball players}}. — Dale Arnett (talk) 05:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • A case where WP:COMMONSENSE produces awkward category trees. Ah well! - The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Rename to fit existing convention. There are probably 30-40 schools in this boat and they are all done this way, so this should be consistent. Rikster2 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Free-floating objects ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Image:Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 19#Category:Free-floating objects. -- Black Falcon (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Free-floating objects to :Category:Free–floating substellar objects

:Nominator's rationale: Current name is highly ambiguous; could be free-floating objects in water, or any number of other things. Proposed name would fit under both parent :Category:Substellar objects and the actual description the category gives for its contents. The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment the category should not include brown dwarfs, should be restricted to non-brown dwarfs, since many brown dwarfs are known to be individual. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • :Brown dwarfs would count as stellar objects, I believe. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • ::It's a debatable point. I'm finding many instances of "free-floating objects" being applied to brown dwarfs, both in scholarly publications and in the press. In addition, brown dwarfs are frequently referred to as "substellar objects". I suppose the alternative would be to create separate categories for "rogue planets" and "free-floating brown dwarfs". Regards, RJH (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Helmi stream ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Helmi stream}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the main article and one other; little chance for expansion; articles already interlinked and in appropriate other categories. The Bushranger One ping only 01:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete. It currently has the main article and two others, which are adequately linked without this cat. I didn't see any sibling categories that would justify this as part of a hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 23:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete too small to be needed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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