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==== Category:Game & Watch Gallery series ====

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: double upmerge. The Bushranger One ping only 06:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Game & Watch Gallery series to :Category:Mario Bros. games

:Nominator's rationale: I'm guessing this category was made back when all the Game & Watch games had their own articles. Since this is no longer the case, we don't need a category for 1 article. Upmerge and delete. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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==== Category:Mario platform game remakes ====

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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge. The Bushranger One ping only 06:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mario platform game remakes to :Category:Mario platform games

:Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure what the criteria for inclusion in this category are and I'm not sure it's a useful distinction to make, to boot. Of course there are the obvious remakes (SM64DS and SMA4:SMB3). However, why isn't New Super Mario Bros included as a remake? There seems to be a continuum between remake and original game. Evidently, Mario Bros. is included because it has been included as a remake in other games. Super Mario All-Stars is a compilation of remakes. I suggest upmerging to Mario platform games to avoid this messy issue of thinslicing categories. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Tech noir films ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep.--Mike Selinker (talk) 13:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Tech noir films}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is no agreed upon definition of "tech noir," and the main article for the subject lacks reliable sources. Therefore the articles added to this category are arbitrary and merely the opinion of editors. This is not acceptable. Until there is a main article that clearly reflects the cited opinions of notable critics, this category should be deleted. All of the films categorized are already listed in other, more appropriate, categories. RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 17:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Do not merge this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valerieleeds (talk • contribs) 15:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Disagree: There are several sources on this topic, such as [http://books.google.ca/books?id=vMEbAQAAIAAJ&q=tech+noir&dq=tech+noir&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qiT6T97IGtCx0QGMrJj_Bg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA books], [http://books.google.ca/books?id=385SDKrMdMoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=tech+noir&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qiT6T97IGtCx0QGMrJj_Bg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tech%20noir&f=false 2], and [http://www.allmovie.com/subgenre/tech-noir-d1698 websites]. Just because the main article is not well developed, doesn't mean it can't be cleaned up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep, per Andrzejbanas. A useful category with a strict definition can be made on this topic, so we should improve not delete. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete the topic is sufficiently subjective that no objective criteria are set out for inclusion and exclusion that makes those included a sufficiently cohesive set that those excluded could not possibly be part of that set. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep but Prune to only those films actually defined as such in reliable sources. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep per Andrzejbanas. If reliable sources identify a film as being part of the tech-noir genre, then that ought to be sufficient. [http://books.google.ca/books?id=385SDKrMdMoC Tech-Noir Film: A Theory of the Development of Popular Genres], for example, includes an appendix (pp. 179–186) of tech-noir films that could be used to support and expand this category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep there is an agreed upon definition of the term.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

::What "agreed upon definition"? The definition on the category page is useless, and the main article is a mess. If there are sources, then the main article needs to be rewritten and sourced. Then, a list of relevant films can be included there. But, I still see no purpose for this category. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 21:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Expressway authorities ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Toll road operators and split out :Category:Toll road authorities of the United States. Either category may be nominated for discussion immediately (e.g. :Category:Toll road operators → :Category:Toll road authorities). -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Expressway authorities to :Category:Toll road authorities

:Nominator's rationale: To match the main article, toll road for the type of roadway these authorities, commissions and agencies manage. An "expressway" is technically a type of road with limited access control and some level of incomplete grade separation; is an intermediate type of road between a divided highway and a freeway. Exclusive of toll roads, expressways are typically maintained by whatever agency handles freeways, divided highways and non-divided highways in that jurisdiction; only those freeways (which may be called expressways) which are tolled are typically maintained by a special agency. Imzadi 1979 → 11:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Japanese occupation of the Korea films ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (speedy C2C). The Bushranger One ping only 20:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Japanese occupation of the Korea films to :Category:Films about Korea under Japanese rule

:* Propose renaming :Category:Japanese people of colonial Korea to :Category:Japanese people of Korea under Japanese rule

:Nominator's rationale: To match the parent category :Category:Korea under Japanese rule (and main article Korea under Japanese rule), and avoid disputes about whether Japanese rule in Korea was an "occupation" or a "colonisation" or something else. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 10:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

:Update Seems that User:Sunuraju (the creator of :Category:Japanese occupation of the Korea films) saw this CFD, depopulated the category himself (it only had one article, Modern Boy, though I can think of a few more that would belong), and created the new :Category:Films about Korea under Japanese rule. I suppose that makes the first one a WP:CSD#G7? That leaves the second one, :Category:Japanese people of colonial Korea. Thanks, 61.18.190.15 (talk) 03:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Korean rugby union players ==

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:The result of the discussion was: renamae per C2C. The Bushranger One ping only 20:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Korean rugby union players to :Category:South Korean rugby union players

:* Propose renaming :Category:Korean tang soo do practitioners to :Category:South Korean tang soo do practitioners

:Nominator's rationale: All the members of these categories are South Korean citizens. There is no such thing as a plain old Korean citizen after the 1948 division of Korea. The categories should either be renamed, or all their members should be moved to new South Korean categories and the existing category retained to act as a parent to hold the South Korean category and any future North Korean category (e.g. :Category:North Korean rugby union players). 61.18.190.15 (talk) 04:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Category:Korean players of American football ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to creating :Category:South Korean players of American football if it can be populated. Even if it sparsely populated, the category could exist under the established-tree exemption of WP:SMALLCAT. If the applicability of such a category to a particular article is in question, as it is in the case of Lee and Ward, discussion on the article's talk page or at a WikiProject (e.g., Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Sports and games) would be appropriate to determine whether the category should be added. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Korean players of American football}}

:Nominator's rationale: Hines Ward, the sole member of this subcategory of :Category:Players of American football by nationality, is miscategorised: he is an American citizen of ethnic Korean descent born in 1976 in South Korea. There is no such thing as a plain old "Korean citizen" after the 1948 division of Korea; there are only South Koreans and North Koreans. The only other potential candidate for membership in the category is the guy in this 1918 photo (about whom no article exists). 61.18.190.15 (talk) 04:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Support even thought the nominator is apparently forgetting John Lee who was born in Seoul. I recall there was a football player about 10 years(Played for UVA or Virginia Tech I think) ago but he might have been Korean-American. WP:SMALLCAT applies. There is very little room for growth....William 16:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
  • :Ah, you're right I forgot about him. But since he was born in 1964 he'd belong in Category:South Korean players of American football if it ever became appropriate to create that category. (Don't by-nationality-and-occupation categories fall under the "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" exception to WP:SMALLCAT)? 61.18.190.15 (talk) 03:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • ::Indeed they would be, hence my !vote below. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete as a small cat. The one person in this category may or may not qualify. Although born in Korea to a Korean mother, his father was an American citizen and he lived most of his life in the US. Cateogries like this are for people who are such by nationality, not merely by descent or ethnicity, and his status as a Korean national is fuzzy at best.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete per smallcat. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename to :Category:South Korean players of American football per the WP:SMALLCAT exemption as part of an established category tree. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • :Thanks for the clarification about WP:SMALLCAT. But now that I look at it again, I still don't think that :Category:South Korean players of American football would have any members (at least who have Wikipedia articles). John Lee (placekicker) was indeed born in Seoul, but he naturalised as a U.S. citizen in 1985 [http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-28/sports/sp-18506_1_nfl-kicker], and South Korean didn't allow dual citizenship at the time. Current Korean sources refer to him as 한국계 (i.e. "Korean descent") rather than as a South Korean citizen. Cheers, 61.18.190.15 (talk) 02:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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