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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Shrines in Lahore. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Shrines of Lahore to :Category:Shrines in Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT and :Category:Shrines in Pakistan as a wider topic. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:16, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

:*Comment - You could be opening a can of worms there Alan, seeing as Lahore lies in Pakistan, not India, even though historically it belongs to India as well. There were two major shrines that were definitely missing from that category (Data Durbar Complex and the Samadhi of Ranjit Singh). I would suggest that instead the Lahore category could be merged with {{cl|Sufi shrines in Pakistan}} to form a {{cl|Shrines in Pakistan}}, thereby avoiding international disputes. That said I see no reason that this category could not be recreated when there are articles on some of the other shrines in Lahore. Green Giant (talk) 00:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

::*Oops... A moment of geographical ignorance. Thanks for that.-- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose has potential for growth plus within an established sub-categorization scheme. I'd prefer to keep it. gidonb (talk) 07:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

::*Oppose... Agreed with gidonb .shyamsunder

• Rename to {{cl|Shrines in Lahore}}. It was isolated when it was nominated but is now a reasonable part of a hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 18:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
• Thank you, this is the correct name! gidonb (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
• Rename per Fayenatic. Seems we can have a well-populated category over time, even without (the Muslim equivalent of) parishcruft. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename per C2C. Discussion on whether or not "shrines" is approprirate can be done in a new nomination. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Jerusalem shrines to :Category:Shrines in Jerusalem

:Nominator's rationale: per convention. I am not sure if "shrine" is the correct word for the contents. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support per convention. gidonb (talk) 07:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: deleted as empty. In the future, when a category is emptied as a result of a logical, noncontroversial split such as this, you can simply tag it for speedy deletion under criterion WP:C1. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Lynn University Fighting Knights golfers}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete as empty. I've split the category by sex—see {{cl|Lynn Fighting Knights men's golfers}} and {{cl|Lynn Fighting Knights women's golfers}}. Dale Arnett (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|European Minifootball Federation}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete Appears to be an article in category space, or the start of an article. There is no head article European Minifootball Federation. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Too early for this category. Please move the text to the article space. gidonb (talk) 07:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Unfortunatly categories cannot be moved to articlespace; this will need to be recreated from scratch. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
• The text can be cut and pasted into a new article. Closing person: If this proposal is adopted, please mention the author of the text while doing so! gidonb (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
• Delete this is largely an article masquerading as a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete under the assumption Obi2canibe is correct about the categorization.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Public schools in Sri Lanka}}

:Nominator's rationale: This is a duplicate of :Category:Government schools in Sri Lanka. The Education in Sri Lanka article divides schools into government and non-government schools. The category name should follow suit. obi2canibe^{talk contr} 17:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Split to :Category:Private schools in Sri Lanka and :Category:Government schools in Sri Lanka. The nominator is mistaken, because there are terminological difficulties here. This category appears to have been created for schools in the British public school tradition such as Royal College, Colombo and Trinity College, Kandy. However, it appears to have been subsequently expanded by the addition of some government schools, which in some places are known as "public schools". The boundary between a "British-style public school" and other "independent schools" is fuzzy, so in the UK public schools are categorised under :Category:Independent schools in the United Kingdom. The same solution should be adopted here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

::Government schools Sri Lanka are split into national schools (those controlled by the national government) and provincial schools (those controlled by the provincial government). This is why :Category:Government schools in Sri Lanka has been sub-categorised into :Category:National schools in Sri Lanka and :Category:Provincial schools in Sri Lanka. All the articles currently appearing under :Category:Public schools in Sri Lanka have already been categorised into one of :Category:National schools in Sri Lanka / :Category:Provincial schools in Sri Lanka / :Category:Private schools in Sri Lanka. So there is no need to do any further work in splitting this category, it can be deleted.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 15:11, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as duplicate of better named cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Category redirect will be established. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:25, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Stuttgart Military Community to :Category:United States military in Stuttgart

:Nominator's rationale: Rename to more accurately describe the category's contents. The current title and the category's explanatory text ("enduring communities") sound like a caricature of corporate communications. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:49, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Could probably be speedied. Seems uncontroversial to me. Benkenobi18 (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
• It might end up being a snowball, but it doesn't meet any of the speedy criteria. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
• Rename per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
• Note After I made this nomination, there was a comment on my talk about this category ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=515732156&oldid=515620826 permalink]). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (C2C). The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Recipients of the Resistance Memorial Cross (The Netherlands) to :Category:Recipients of the Resistance Memorial Cross (Netherlands)

:Adding related CFDs:

:* :Category:Recipients of the Geuzenpenning (The Netherlands) to :Category:Recipients of the Geuzenpenning (Netherlands)

:* :Category:Recipients of the Dutch Cross of Resistance (The Netherlands) to :Category:Recipients of the Dutch Cross of Resistance (Netherlands)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Article is under Netherlands hence we do not add "The" in the brackets. Same with the United States and the United Kingdom. gidonb (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• 'Oppose per grammar and per other similar categories such as :Category:Recipients of the Dutch Cross of Resistance (The Netherlands) and :Category:Recipients of the Geuzenpenning (The Netherlands). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks for this input! Eleven days ago, three categories were created by the very same user. These are: :Category:Recipients of the Dutch Cross of Resistance (The Netherlands), :Category:Recipients of the Geuzenpenning (The Netherlands)‎ and :Category:Recipients of the Resistance Memorial Cross (The Netherlands). I pointed the creator to the discussion here. The name of the article and our policies have been discussed elaborately. Every now and then somebody does create articles or categories that deviate from our standards. Eventually these get picked up and corrected. gidonb (talk) 03:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• Since they are by the same user, on the same day, under the same parent category, and equally deviate from our standards, I have added the other categories to this CFD. gidonb (talk) 03:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• Rename all (changing my !vote). Sorry! I looked at this again, and it seems that I somehow missed the fact that the proposal is to remove the definite article from the disambiguator; I had somehow misread it as removing the definite article from the substantive title. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• PS This could be speedily renamed per speedy criterion C2C, convention of {{cl|Netherlands}}. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedians in Palestine to :Category:Wikipedians in the Palestinian territories

:Nominator's rationale: Support This uses {{tl|Usercat-1}} to link to it's title in the Main namspace. The Palestine article is about the region not the country. The article about the country is Palestinian territories. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:00, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support for the sake of clarity and consistency. gidonb (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename per C2D. (The Wachowskis). Capital "T" in "The" used as "The" is part of the pairing's actual name. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Video games based on films directed by the Wachowski brothers to :Category:Video games based on films directed by the Wachowskis

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. They now go by "The Wachowskis" instead of "The Wachowski Brothers. Trivialist (talk) 07:45, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Seven Enemy Offensives. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Seven anti-Partisan offensives to :Category:Seven Enemy Offensives

:Nominator's rationale: The main article of the category is Seven Enemy Offensives. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 07:39, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. per noms rationale. I created a couple of the articles that are in this category and have worked on a lot of the others. The category should be "Seven Enemy Offensives" as a proper noun. It is the most common rendering in WP:RS. Peacemaker67 (talk) 12:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn On second thought, there is something to be said for consistency with the encyclopedic content, but it doesn't outweigh that the Palestinians would probably prefer to call their country Palestine instead of Palestinian territories. Unlike the encyclopedic content, there's no need to free up a name for the region. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedians in Palestine to :Category:Wikipedians in the Palestinian territories

:Nominator's rationale: Weak Support To match Palestinian territories. The Palestine article is about the region. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:03, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Areas of Rochdale per September 27 close.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Neighbourhoods of Rochdale to :Category:Areas in the Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale

:Nominator's rationale: To clarify that this isn't just for the smaller town of Rochdale but for areas in the wider Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale Green Giant (talk) 02:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Close discussion, and speedy rename later according to outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 27#Category:Districts_of_Basingstoke. Per WP:MULTI, discussions should be centralised, and having this discussion simultaneously in two different places disrupts consensus formation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Areas of Wigan per September 27 close.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Neighbourhoods of Wigan to :Category:Areas in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan

:Nominator's rationale: To clarify that this isn't just for the smaller town of Wigan but for areas in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan Green Giant (talk) 02:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Close discussion, and speedy rename later according to outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 27#Category:Districts_of_Basingstoke. Per WP:MULTI, discussions should be centralised, and having this discussion simultaneously in two different places disrupts consensus formation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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