Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 July 6

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: Keep. Follow on comment. As I was closing this I noticed that the contents here are not the city articles, but rather the city categories. Someone probably needs to go through this and include the city articles and remove the city categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Cities in the New York metropolitan area}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unneeded Category. Somewhat duplicate entries within parent :Category:Populated places in the New York metropolitan area, which is only a container. Tinton5 (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

• Keep – as will be seen by comparing :Category:Populated places in Bergen County, New Jersey with its subcat :Category:Cities in Bergen County, New Jersey, the two are completely different. Oculi (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
• Keep – per above. Dwscomet (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
• keep there is no way they could be the same and they are not the same. Count the towns involved here. Hmains (talk) 06:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose being a city as opposed to a town, village, or place like Harlem, is a notable characteristic of these places.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Keep/withdrawn. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Catholic Church organizations to :Category:Roman Catholic Church organizations

:Nominator's rationale: Target is only member of this cat. Unnecessary level of categorization. JFH (talk) 14:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

:*Support "Old Catholic" etc do not have many articles about organisation so there is, at present, no need to include them here. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

• Should it not be reverse merge? I thought we had agreed that it was the "Catholic Church". WE certainly do not need both. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
• keep both Read the contents. There are other Catholic Churches than just the Roman Catholic Church Hmains (talk) 06:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• {{cl|Eastern Catholic organizations}} has been added, so I would withdraw if others had not already supported. --JFH (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Guided missiles by operator}}

:* Propose deleting :Category:Royal Canadian Air Force & Canadian Forces Air Command guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:French Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Guided missiles of the United States Air Force

:* Propose deleting :Category:Cruise missiles of the United States Air Force

:* Propose deleting :Category:Nuclear cruise missiles of the United States Air Force

:* Propose deleting :Category:Aeronautica Militare guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:People's Liberation Army guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:People's Liberation Army Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:People's Liberation Army Navy guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Royal Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Navy guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Navy nuclear cruise missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Strategic Rocket Forces guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Soviet Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Swedish Air Force guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Royal Navy guided missiles

:* Propose deleting :Category:Nuclear cruise missiles by operator

::Note: Bundeswehr and SAN cats are also in this tree, but are already at CSD as empty. Note: A Norwegian category was recently deleted.

:Nominator's rationale: Some missiles have been operated by dozens of countries (e.g. see Sidewinder missile#Operators) so for missiles usage by a particular organization is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. That there isn't an "Objects by operator" category for :Category:Guided missiles by operator to fit under is an indication that this isn't the way we normally categorize articles about mass-produced objects. Upmerge List of missiles of the RAF to :Category:Royal Air Force. DexDor (talk) 05:25, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

• Delete all per nomination. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 07:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

:*Support per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

• Merge/Delete We do not need to split these (1) between the armed forces of one country or (2) by country, where they are used by multiple countries: US/UK/Canada/ etc will commonly use the same missiles; China probably largely has its own; as does USSR/Russia. WWII German missiles might be a valid category. I would accordinly suggest one category for NATO, one for Russia (to include USSR) and one for China (not three for PLA). Since a missile can either have a conventional or nuclear warhead, that is not a valid split. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

::A "Guided missiles operated by Russia/USSR" category (which I think is an example of what you're suggesting) would be almost an exact duplicate of :Category:Guided missiles of Russia+:Category:Guided missiles of the Soviet Union (which contain hundreds of articles). That is not good as it wouldn't be very useful and it's likely (IMO) that many articles would be placed in one or the other category when they should be in both. DexDor (talk) 21:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

• Listify all users these should only be categorized by country of origin. (if it was a TV category, it would be performer by performance, the actor being the missile, and the performance being the military inventory)-- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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