Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 July 9

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Carmel Buckingham}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Co-writing one book, already more appropriately categorized in :Category:Books by Carmel Buckingham, doesn't require an eponymous parent category per WP:OC#EPONYMOUS. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Oh Land}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Just another eponymous category that have been deleted over and over again in CfD due to a limited scope of articles which don't expand beyond the conventional song and album subcategories. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• I see no harm in keeping the category. Note: I created the category. --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• Delete not enough for a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Qayaas}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Minimal content. No need for eponymous parent category for only one album article already in :Category:Qayaas albums per WP:OC#Eponymous. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:1932 in Lesotho to :Category:1932 in Basutoland

:Nominator's rationale: Per nom yesterday's nom. Tim! (talk) 06:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support -- That was the name of the polity at the time. However, the parent should still be a Lesotho category. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support We should name things based on the contemporary name of the polity.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• If renamed, keep in {{cat|Years in Lesotho}} tree. This should have been incorporated into yesterday's nomination of the subcategory. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support for JPL's reasons. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge to :Category:Surface-to-air missiles. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Modern surface-to-air missiles to :Category:Surface-to-air missiles by century

:Nominator's rationale: The word "modern" is very ambiguous and should be avoided where possible. A rename to "... by period" or an upmerge to the parent categories would also be OK. This is part of a long term plan to phase out use of the ambiguous "modern" in category names. DexDor (talk) 05:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support the contents are by century, so it would make sense. A second category scheme, "by period" can be created to complement this. (pre-airplane, pre-WWI, WWI, WWI-WWII, WWII, Cold War, post-ColdWar) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

::This category is under :Category:Guided missiles (for unguided weapons see :Category:Rocket weapons) so it's only after WWII that there's a significant number of articles - that 2nd category scheme wouldn't have much purpose. DexDor (talk) 20:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Surface-to-air missiles. A while back we had a wholesale cull of categories providing a 20th/21st century split as being an attempt to have a current/former split, which we do not allow. Since there were no 19th cnetury aircraft, or at least nothing worth shooting at, there should be no 19th (or 18th) century category, or possible one too small to be worth having. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

::To clarify: The "merge" referred to in the nomination is to upmerge this category - i.e. keeping the 20th/21st century cats (based on year of entry into service). There's no "attempt to have a current/former split" here. Can you refer to the CFD that culled 20th/21st century categories? Do you object to :Category:20th-century military equipment for example? DexDor (talk) 20:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

::I don't see why the 21st century should be treated as special, and not defining enough to separate from the 20th century. Or how 21/20 split would be considered former/current either, since you can still have 1950s airliners flying today, but they're still 20th century aircraft. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:::I still say merge both to a single category. With only 26 articles, the target would not be big enough to need splitting. Where are the ancient SAMs? "Modern" is thus redundant. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

::::If an article meets the inclusion criteria for both :Category:20th-century military equipment and :Category:Surface-to-air missiles would you upmerge to both ? If so how's that better than having more specific categories ? DexDor (talk) 05:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Traditional Chinese objects}}

:Nominator's rationale: The inclusion criteria of this category mean it includes articles like Chain pump, Horse collar, Naval mine, Paper and Wheelbarrow, but for such subjects being a traditional Chinese object is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. Some articles that were placed in this cat inappropriately have already been removed (see cat's talk page). I'm open to suggestions for redefining this category and then purging, but otherwise it should be listified and deleted. Note: Many of the articles in this category will still be in a Chinese category. DexDor (talk) 05:19, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Delete -- This is covering much that is far too common to make a useful category. I suspect that the creator had in mind :Category:Chinese inventions, but was trying to make something wider. However, many of the items would also fall inot "Traditional British objects" and "traditional American objects" etc. This is getting far too close to the performance (being a traditional object) by performer (China - or other country) type category, which we do not allow. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
• keep as is deletion of this category results in many articles clearly associated with ancient China not being in any Chinese category. This is completely wrong. Try to improve the category navigation system to articles, not destroy it. Do this work first. Hmains (talk) 04:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

::More work is needed on the defining characteristics. What defines "traditional" here? I assume the chinese used buckets hundreds or thousands of years ago, so would that belong? if not, why not? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

• Delete This is a reciepe for over categorization. How long ago does something have to have been used, and for how long, to be considered "traditional"?John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Delete as vague. I have checked the ones that I thought should remain in a Chinese/East Asian category, and they are (now) in other suitable categories. – Fayenatic London 08:40, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Skeuomorphism to :Category:Design

:Nominator's rationale: This category contains just the eponymous article and one image. It's unlikely to grow and does not form part of a series of categories. Upmerge to parent cat. DexDor (talk) 05:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. It's probably not desirable for this to remain and become a category for (debatable) examples of skeuomorphism; a list or discussion in the article would be better for that. – Fayenatic London 08:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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