Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 9#Arizona.2FNew Mexico Territories

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:The result of the discussion was: keep the first, delete the others. The pages Khimshiashvili and Kherkheulidze now have links to both other pages not previously listed from their family categories. – Fayenatic London 14:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

:*:Category:Andronikashvili family

:*:Category:Khimshiashvili family

:*:Category:Kherkheulidze family

:Propose deleting Totally useless and redundant categories for petty nobility in Georgia so I suggest we delete them. Thanks. Jaqeli (talk) 16:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -- the first seem to have been hereditary nobility, and should possibly be kept as :Category:House of Andronikashvili. The other categories are too small to merit a categoryand should be deleted. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Andronikashvili as it includes 11 articles and, I'm sure, more are forthcoming given the number of notable persons the family produced. Not so sure about the Khimshiashvili and Kherkheulidze.--Kober^Talk 15:53, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Andronikashvili cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Austria to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Albania to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Andorra to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Armenia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Belarus to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Belgium to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Bosnia and Herzegovina to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Bulgaria to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Crete to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Croatia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Cyprus to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the Czech Republic to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Denmark to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Estonia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Finland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Georgia (country) to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Germany to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Gibraltar to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Great Britain to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Greece to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Guernsey to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Hungary to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Ireland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the Isle of Man to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Italy to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Jersey to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Kosovo to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Latvia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Liechtenstein to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Lithuania to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Luxembourg to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the Republic of Macedonia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Malta to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Moldova to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Monaco to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Montenegro to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the Netherlands to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Norway to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Poland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Portugal to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the Republic of Ireland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Romania to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of San Marino to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Scotland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Serbia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Slovakia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Slovenia to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Sweden to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Spain to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Switzerland to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of Ukraine to :Category:Mammals of Europe

:* Propose merging :Category:Mammals of the United Kingdom to :Category:Mammals of Europe

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:Nominator's rationale: That, for example, the European rabbit has been found in Monaco is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of that species. For info: An example of a previous similar discussion is Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_March_16#Category:Moths_of_Andorra. NOTE: The categorization of list articles etc should be checked - e.g. List of mammals of Sweden is in :Category:Lists of biota of Sweden, but this may not be the case for all the lists. DexDor (talk) 18:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

:Support in principle. The only cat I am familiar with is :Category:Mammals of Scotland and I am happy for that to be merged. I have used :Category:Endemic fauna of Scotland to list species only found in Scotland and this seems to me an appropriate approach. Listing common species by every country they are found in is unnecessary per arguments at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_March_16#Category:Moths_of_Andorra. Ben MacDui 07:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Same as the recent merge of Category: Moths of..., these kind of categories are worthless, instead list articles should be used. --Sander Säde 14:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
• Support Per nom. Endemic categories are on the other hand defining on a national level. Arsenikk ^(talk) 07:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
• Merge per nominator....William 11:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
• Merge Location in a small country in a wide range is not defining for mammals.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Candia, New Hampshire to :Category:People from Rockingham County, New Hampshire

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small community with just 3 entries. ...William 12:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split.
Pinging the nom Good Ol’factory to see if they still feel like implementing the split. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Presidents of the Brazilian Senate to :Category:Presidents of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil and :Category:Presidents of the Federal Senate

:* Propose splitting :Category:Members of the Senate of Brazil to :Category:Members of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil (already exists) and :Category:Members of the Federal Senate

:* After splitting, propose deleting :Category:Presidents of the Brazilian Senate and :Category:Members of the Senate of Brazil

:Nominator's rationale: Split. This proposal was hacked out at speedy renaming (see copy of discussion below). Essentially, what is being proposed is the creation of two separate trees, one for the Senate of the Empire of Brazil and one for the current Federal Senate. ("Senate of Brazil" and "Brazilian Senate" can refer to either of these bodies.) The proposal is that we would have categories for members of each of the two bodies, and both of these would have subcategories for the presidents of the bodies. I propose linking these through hatnotes and not having any general {{cat|Members of the Senate of Brazil}} or {{cat|Presidents of the Brazilian Senate}} to house the subcategories for the Empire and for the current Federal Senate. (If the proposal goes through, the closer can ping me and I'd be happy to implement it.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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• :Category:Presidents of the Brazilian Senate to :Category:Presidents of the Senate of Brazil – C2B per {{Cat|Members of the Senate of Brazil}} Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• : Oppose as proposed {{ping|Good Olfactory}} This should be renamed to {{cat|Presidents of the Federal Senate}} as C2B per Federal Senate. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:45, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
• ::Well, the reason we use "Senate of Brazil" rather than "Federal Senate" in this context is because the Federal Senate is not the first senate that Brazil has had. The Empire of Brazil also had a senate, and it was presided over by a president too, and the Empire was not a federal state and the senate was not called the "Federal Senate". So the categories currently straddle both regimes. This nomination is just bringing the "Presidents" category into line with the "Members" category. I would think a discussion to rename both using "Federal Senate" would need a full discussion because it would limit the scope of the categories as compared to what they now encompass. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
• :::But we don't have an article about the "Senate of Brazil", and it redirects to Federal Senate. Either they are the same or the redirect should be deleted as miss-leading. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
• ::::I don't think either of your alternatives is the case. The current Senate of Brazil is indeed called the "Federal Senate". But that doesn't mean that the Senate of Brazil has always been called the "Federal Senate". Under the Empire of Brazil, that was not its name. It just so happens that most people who are searching for "Senate of Brazil" will probably be searching for information on the current Senate of Brazil (or the one which existed in the very recent past, which is the same one). So the redirect is appropriate. I don't understand what the problem is here with aligning the naming format of a parent category and its child category. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
• :This would be outside the scope of speedy, but what about splitting to :Category:Presidents of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil (cf. :Category:Members of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil), for the period 1822–1889, and :Category:Presidents of the Federal Senate post-1889? It seems to me that, due to the political significance of the transition from empire to republic, it would be more useful to separate these two periods of the Senate's history. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
• ::That could work ... however. We would still be left with {{cat|Members of the Senate of Brazil}} as a parent category. Presumably {{cat|Members of the Federal Senate}} could be made a subcategory of this. But if we have {{cat|Members of the Senate of Brazil}} as a parent, shouldn't we also have {{cat|Presidents of the Senate of Brazil}} to house the two subcategories? If so, that kind of brings us back to square one, and it suggests that this rename should go through, and then the contents could be distributed to the subcategories. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
• :::My thinking is more along the lines of splitting :Category:Members of the Senate of Brazil (and also the 'Presidents' subcategory) without retaining them as parent categories; of course, this woudl require a full nomination. :Category:Members of the Federal Senate and :Category:Members of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil could link to one another via hatnotes. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 21:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
• ::::I was secretly looking for a way to avoid taking this to a full CFD, because once you do that with a (relatively) complex proposal, it either confuses other users or the only ones who comment are those who think they have a better idea. But I do think your proposal is probably the best one to be had. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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• Comment -- The Empire and subsequent republic are successive regimes in the same country. If these had the same institutions, I see no reason for a split. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
• As above, :User:BlackFalcon's rationale was: "It seems to me that, due to the political significance of the transition from empire to republic, it would be more useful to separate these two periods of the Senate's history." I also can see the usefulness of splitting the two "regimes". Under the Empire, senators generally sat for life and only those making a very high salary were eligible for election. Under the federal republic, they are elected to limited terms. I would be OK with grouping them all together, but then that takes us back to the original issue, which is the need to name these categories consistently to "Senate of Brazil". Note also that the members of the Senate of the Empire of Brazil are already subcategorized. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split/delete/rename per revised nomination. – Fayenatic London 15:13, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in Australia to :Category:Dams in Australia or :Category:Reservoirs in Australia everything is in subcategories now. Queensland subcategory still needs some cleanup but this is OK to delete

:* Propose splitting deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams of the Australian Capital Territory to :Category:Dams in the Australian Capital Territory or :Category:Reservoirs in the Australian Capital Territory everything is in subcategories which are in the two trees

:* Propose splitting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in Queensland to :Category:Dams in Queensland and/or :Category:Reservoirs in Queensland

:* Propose splitting deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in South Australia to :Category:Dams in South Australia or :Category:Reservoirs in South Australia everything is in subcategories which are in the two trees

:* Propose splitting deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in Victoria to :Category:Dams in Victoria (Australia) or :Category:Reservoirs in Victoria (Australia) everything is in subcategories which are in the two trees

:* Propose splitting deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in Western Australia to :Category:Dams in Western Australia or :Category:Reservoirs in Western Australia everything is in subcategories which are in the two trees

:* Propose deleting :Category:Reservoirs and dams in the Northern Territory - only content is a subcategory which is correctly parented.

:* Propose renaming :Category:Disused reservoirs and dams in Australia to :Category:Disused reservoirs in Australia

:Nominator's rationale: Split. Dams and reservoirs are two different things. They have two dedicated parent categories :Category:Dams and :Category:Reservoirs. This is a follow on to this discussion. Note that not all reservoirs are created by dams. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Split per nom, who is absolutely correct in stating that dams and reservoirs are two different things. Often they are the same but we have to cater for the many cases where the subject is one or the other but not both. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
• I think I'm finally beginning to understand your statement after looking at many articles. I think we have a language usage difference here. My impression is that most of the articles called a reservoir are mostly about the dams. They generally say the reservoir was built when in fact it was the dam that was built, the dam creates the reservoir. Also usage leaves me believing that calling the dams 'walls' is also common. The articles do talk about the amount of water impounded by the dam. I think in other places, these articles would be called dams, so I suspect that there is something here related to local usage and naming. Since no names for the dams is generally provided, the correct change is to categorize the articles as both dams and reservoirs. In fact in the articles almost all of the categories are for the dam tree and only one for the reservoir tree. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
• split almost per nom Split to dams AND reservoirs categories, not dams OR reservoirs which makes it seem like there is a choice to be made in each case between using dams categories or using reservoir categories, but not both. Hmains (talk) 03:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
• I think the term you are looking for is "and/or". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
• Yea, there are a few cases where and/or might be needed. I have already fixed one of these by creating a redirect and that is correctly categorized. As I have the time, I'll try to move of the target subcategories into these and then move all of the content into those. I don't believe that violates the spirit of the nomination since much of the content is already in the subcategories. For the ones I do this on, the and/or cases will be resolved with redirects. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/split (in some cases, merging) per nom, using "New Mexico Territory" for 1846/7. – Fayenatic London 15:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:1860 in Arizona to :Category:1860 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1861 in Arizona to :Category:1861 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1862 in Arizona to :Category:1862 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1860 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1860 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1863 in Arizona to :Category:1863 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1864 in Arizona to :Category:1864 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1865 in Arizona to :Category:1865 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1866 in Arizona to :Category:1866 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1867 in Arizona to :Category:1867 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1868 in Arizona to :Category:1868 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1869 in Arizona to :Category:1869 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870 in Arizona to :Category:1870 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1871 in Arizona to :Category:1871 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1872 in Arizona to :Category:1872 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1873 in Arizona to :Category:1873 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1875 in Arizona to :Category:1875 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1877 in Arizona to :Category:1877 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1878 in Arizona to :Category:1878 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1879 in Arizona to :Category:1879 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880 in Arizona to :Category:1880 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1881 in Arizona to :Category:1881 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1882 in Arizona to :Category:1882 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1883 in Arizona to :Category:1883 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1884 in Arizona to :Category:1884 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1885 in Arizona to :Category:1885 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1886 in Arizona to :Category:1886 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1887 in Arizona to :Category:1887 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1888 in Arizona to :Category:1888 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1889 in Arizona to :Category:1889 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890 in Arizona to :Category:1890 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1891 in Arizona to :Category:1891 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1893 in Arizona to :Category:1893 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1894 in Arizona to :Category:1894 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1895 in Arizona to :Category:1895 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1896 in Arizona to :Category:1896 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1897 in Arizona to :Category:1897 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1898 in Arizona to :Category:1898 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1899 in Arizona to :Category:1899 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900 in Arizona to :Category:1900 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1901 in Arizona to :Category:1901 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1902 in Arizona to :Category:1902 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1903 in Arizona to :Category:1903 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1904 in Arizona to :Category:1904 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1905 in Arizona to :Category:1905 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1906 in Arizona to :Category:1906 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1907 in Arizona to :Category:1907 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1908 in Arizona to :Category:1908 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1909 in Arizona to :Category:1909 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1910 in Arizona to :Category:1910 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1911 in Arizona to :Category:1911 in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1863 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1863 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1864 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1864 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1865 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1865 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1866 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1866 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1867 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1867 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1869 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1869 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1870 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1871 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1871 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1872 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1872 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1875 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1875 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1877 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1877 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1878 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1878 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1879 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1879 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1880 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1881 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1881 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1882 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1882 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1883 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1883 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1884 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1884 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1885 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1885 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1886 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1886 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1888 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1888 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1890 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1891 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1891 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1893 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1893 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1894 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1894 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1895 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1895 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1896 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1896 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1898 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1898 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1899 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1899 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1900 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1902 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1902 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1903 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1903 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1904 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1904 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1905 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1905 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1906 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1906 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1907 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1907 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1908 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1908 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1909 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1909 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1910 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1910 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1911 establishments in Arizona to :Category:1911 establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose splitting :Category:1860s in Arizona to :Category:1860s in Arizona Territory and :Category:1860s in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870s in Arizona to :Category:1870s in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880s in Arizona to :Category:1880s in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890s in Arizona to :Category:1890s in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900s in Arizona to :Category:1900s in Arizona Territory

:* Propose splitting :Category:1860s establishments in Arizona to :Category:1860s establishments in Arizona Territory and :Category:1860s establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870s establishments in Arizona to :Category:1870s establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880s establishments in Arizona to :Category:1880s establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890s establishments in Arizona to :Category:1890s establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900s establishments in Arizona to :Category:1900s establishments in Arizona Territory

:* Propose splitting :Category:19th century in Arizona to :Category:19th century in Arizona Territory and :Category:19th century in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose splitting :Category:19th-century establishments in Arizona to :Category:19th-century establishments in Arizona Territory and :Category:19th-century establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1846 in New Mexico to to be determined

:* Propose renaming :Category:1847 in New Mexico to to be determined

:* Propose renaming :Category:1861 in New Mexico to :Category:1861 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1872 in New Mexico to :Category:1872 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1878 in New Mexico to :Category:1878 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1879 in New Mexico to :Category:1879 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880 in New Mexico to :Category:1880 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1886 in New Mexico to :Category:1886 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1891 in New Mexico to :Category:1891 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1893 in New Mexico to :Category:1893 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1898 in New Mexico to :Category:1898 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900 in New Mexico to :Category:1900 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1901 in New Mexico to :Category:1901 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1903 in New Mexico to :Category:1903 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1905 in New Mexico to :Category:1905 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1907 in New Mexico to :Category:1907 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1908 in New Mexico to :Category:1908 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1909 in New Mexico to :Category:1909 in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1872 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1872 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1879 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1879 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1880 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1886 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1886 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1891 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1891 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1893 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1893 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1898 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1898 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1900 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1901 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1901 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1903 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1903 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1905 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1905 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1907 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1907 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1908 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1908 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1909 establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1909 establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870s in New Mexico to :Category:1870s in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880s in New Mexico to :Category:1880s in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890s in New Mexico to :Category:1890s in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900s in New Mexico to :Category:1900s in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1870s establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1870s establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1880s establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1880s establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1890s establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1890s establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:1900s establishments in New Mexico to :Category:1900s establishments in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:19th century in New Mexico to :Category:19th century in New Mexico Territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:19th-century establishments in New Mexico to :Category:19th-century establishments in New Mexico Territory

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:Nominator's rationale: Arizona and New Mexico didn't become states until 1912. According to the corresponding articles, they were under New Mexico Territory from 1850-1863, and in 1863 Arizona Territory was split off. I don't know what to call the 1846 and 1847 New Mexico categories, since they were in the middle of the Mexican-American War. (I hope I caught everything.) Kennethaw88 • talk 01:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. We should reflect the conditions on the ground in these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. No anachronism.GreyShark (dibra) 20:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Support -- And I would suggest that we use New Mexico Territory from the time of US conquest, even if the territory was not formally organized until 1850. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
• Comment At the present, we do not seem to have any contents that far back. I'm not fully convinced we need to split out from the broader US categories before 1850 after the start of US control.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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