Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 28#

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Mathematical disambiguation to :Category:Mathematics disambiguation pages

:Nominator's rationale: Consistency with, for example, :Category:Biology disambiguation pages. Note: Consideration could also be given to replacing this category with a category for talk pages (e.g. like :Category:Disambig-Class Engineering articles and :Category:Draft-Class mathematics pages). DexDor ^(talk) 19:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not sure that "Mathematics disambiguation pages" is prolix and pedantic enough, and it doesn't match the parent category :Category:Wikipedia disambiguation. Maybe we could consider instead :Category:Wikipedia disambiguation pages that list ambiguous terms in mathematics? —David Eppstein (talk) 03:50, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support nomination to clarify that it is a set category, not a topic category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Art Deco games}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not a sensible category. Some games feature in-game elements of Art Deco, but they cannot be considered "Art Deco games" and is not a defining trait of the games listed. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree with the nomination. "Art Deco games" really doesn't make any sense, and if we renamed it, we'd still run into the problem that it isn't a defining characteristic. Many films prominently feature Art Deco designs, but nobody would call them "Art Deco films". NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
• Delete Non-defining characteristic, at least within the field of video games. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
• Delete per comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive_124#Category questions (non-defining characteristic) czar 01:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Olympic alpine skiers of Colombia}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. For the foreseeable future, only one article will fit in this category. Regards, James (^talk/_contribs) 14:05, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Keep (as creator). It's a pity that before linking to WP:SMALLCAT, the nominator didn't read it more carefully. It says "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in :Category:Songs by artist or flags in :Category:Flags by country" (emphasis added by me).
  This category is part of just such a "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme": it is one of 97 subcategories of :Category:Olympic alpine skiers by country, so it clearly meets that exemption.
  I note too, that the nominator proposes only to delete the category, rather than to merge it. Deletion of an intersection category such as this removes an article from multiple category trees, and the nominator offers no reason for doing so. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Upmerge Parent Category I'm not sure how well established this tree really is since :Category:Olympic alpine skiers by country contains dozens of under-populated 1 and 2 article subcategories. I would actually favor getting rid of the parent category, :Category:Colombian alpine skiers since, while 1 category might be warranted, 2 definitely are not needed to hold just 1 article. (Note: I tagged the parent category so it can be considered when this nomination is closed.) RevelationDirect (talk) 16:37, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• {{re|RevelationDirect}} I see your point about the parent category, and it would be less disruptive to remove the parent :Category:Colombian alpine skiers, because would cause fewer categories to be added to the article. I don't support its removal, but I won't oppose it.
  However, once again I note that you have tagged it for deletion, even though the effect of that would be to orphan :Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Colombia for several other category trees. (Sorry if I sound snippy about this, but I am quite worried about the number of CFD proposals for deletion which would have these destructive effects, and where merger would be the appropriate way of removing the category.)
  In this case, if :Category:Colombian alpine skiers is to be removed, it should be merged to both :Category:Alpine skiers and to :Category:Colombian skiers.
  As to the initial :Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Colombia, please note that it's grandparent :Category:Olympic alpine skiers is fully diffused by country, as are all the other subcats of :Category:Winter Olympics competitors by sport and :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport. If editors want to end the pattern of full diffusion of these categories, this should be done on a systematic basis, taking an overview of the category tree and involving WP:OLYMPICS, rather than randomly selecting one category out of a set.
  There is a good case for full diffusion, both from a maintenance perspective (where full diffusion is much more easily maintained), and from a navigation perspective. Navigation is improved by reducing category clutter on articles, because if these categories are upmerged, they need to be replaced on the article with two or three other categories. Navigation is also improved at the category level, because the reader can see that if we have an article for a fooer from barCountry, then it will be an explicitly labelled category. Without full diffusion, the reader is left rummaging around in an "others" set of undiffused articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

::: Fair point on proposing CFM for :Category:Colombian alpine skiers rather than CFD. Both the tag and my vote are updated. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Long-established category tree of having country/sport breakdown for the Olympics. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 17:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Keep – :Category:Olympic alpine skiers by country is just fine as it is. And so is :Category:Colombian alpine skiers, which is tagged but not added to the nom. Oculi (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Keep; it is common practice to have cats for athletes by country by discipline for the Olympics. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 10:51, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1765 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:18th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1765 establishments in the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:1798 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:18th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1798 establishments in the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:1805 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1805 establishments in the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:1806 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1806 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1811 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1811 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1817 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1817 establishments in Germany

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:* Propose merging :Category:1818 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1818 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1829 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1829 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1830 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1830 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1832 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1832 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1843 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1843 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1849 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1849 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1852 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1852 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1857 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1857 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1859 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1859 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1860 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1860 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1861 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1861 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1862 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1862 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1866 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1866 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1869 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1869 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1871 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1871 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1872 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1872 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1881 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1881 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1888 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1888 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1893 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1893 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1900 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1900 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1911 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:20th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1911 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1916 establishments in Württemberg to :Category:20th-century establishments in Württemberg and :Category:1916 establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:1874 disestablishments in Württemberg to :Category:19th-century disestablishments in Württemberg and :Category:1874 disestablishments in Germany

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1765 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1798 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1805 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1806 in Württemberg

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1811 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1817 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1818 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1829 in Württemberg

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1843 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1849 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1852 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1857 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1859 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1860 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1861 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1862 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1866 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1869 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1871 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1872 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1881 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1888 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1893 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1900 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1911 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1916 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1874 in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 18th century in Württemberg‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 19th century in Württemberg‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 20th century in Württemberg‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years in Württemberg‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Württemberg‎ by year

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Württemberg‎ by year

:* Propose deleting :Category:1760s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1790s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1800s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1810s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1820s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1830s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1840s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1850s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1860s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1870s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1880s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1890s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1900s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1910s in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1760s establishments in Württemberg

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1850s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1860s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1870s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1880s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1890s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1900s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1910s establishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:1870s disestablishments in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:Decades in Württemberg‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Württemberg‎ by decade

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Württemberg‎ by decade

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:Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, the amount of categories here is about the double of the amount of articles. The larger part of the content consists of railways and railway stations which might be joined later to a rail subcategory within the establishments tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support - These small annual categories are a menace and need to be upmerged. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support - per both the above.Le Deluge (talk) 20:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/merge as proposed. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:28, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Conflict to :Category:Conflict (process)

:* Propose merge :Category:Conflict process to :Category:Conflict (process) (i.e. merge to the previous category)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Conflict in society to :Category:Social conflict

:Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2D, alignment with main article name. It's not a speedy nomination because it also involves a merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support – per nom. Oculi (talk) 18:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support – per nom. Biogeographist (talk) 17:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: {{relisted}} at 2016 SEP 28 CFD. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Left 4 Dead}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:36, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Keep. 5 articles seem like more than enough. Regards, James (^talk/_contribs) 19:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Members of the Yamaneko Group of Comet Observers

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and perhaps WP:NONDEFINING

:According to the article, Yamaneko Group of Comet Observers, this is a group of astronomical observers in Japan. The only article in this category is Akimasa Nakamura so I linked the two articles to each other to maintain a navigational pathway. Other than on Wikis, I'm not finding much information online about this topic (at least in English) so I don't think the growth potential is good. Both articles are very short so it's not clear whether or not the membership is defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

:Note: The notified Kjmonkey as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Astronomy. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Delete as not a good way to categorize people (categorizing by memberships could put some people in many categories). Lists are much better (and see essay WP:DNWAUC). If :Category:Japanese astronomers needs breaking down into smaller categories (and at present it doesn't) then a by-century scheme would be better. DexDor ^(talk) 19:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Comment -- There has been a group of amateurs in Japan who have spe4cialised in looking for comets and identified a lot o0f them. If this is them, it might well be defining. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

:: If the main article is expanded and to demonstrate notability and more than 1 biography category appear, I'm opening to reconsidering. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Members of The Planetary Society

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING

:According to the article, The Planetary Society, the organization has 40,000 members. This is not a learned society that is invitation only or restricts membership through an application process. If you want to join, just [https://secure.planetary.org/site/SPageNavigator/memberships.html fill out this form], provide a credit card to pay $50/year, and you're immediately in the club. (Note that this includes a T-shirt!) I don't think this category comes within a country mile of being defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

:Note: The notified Kuralyov as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Organizations. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Delete - Not particularly defining. We do not normally allow categories for memberships. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. Utterly non-defining. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:36, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. As explained by nom, non-defining. Regards, James (^talk/_contribs) 19:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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