Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 1

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: Delete some and move some depending on this nom. Everyone supported --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 23:54, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Old Swiss Confederacy

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy by millennium‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Old Swiss Confederacy

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy‎ to :Category:Disestablishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy to :Category:Establishments in the Old Swiss Confederacy

:Added January 2

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Aragon

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Aragon by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Aragon

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Aragon to :Category:Establishments in Aragon

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Austria-Hungary

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Austria-Hungary

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Austria-Hungary to :Category:Disestablishments in Austria-Hungary

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Austria-Hungary to :Category:Establishments in Austria-Hungary

{{cot|Rest of millennium categories of former states}}

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Carniola by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Carniola (note: :Category:Establishments in Carniola already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Castile

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Castile by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Castile

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Castile to :Category:Establishments in Castile

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Czechoslovakia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Czechoslovakia by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Czechoslovakia

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Czechoslovakia to :Category:Establishments in Czechoslovakia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Dutch Republic

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Dutch Republic by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Dutch Republic by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Dutch Republic

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Dutch Republic to :Category:Disestablishments in the Dutch Republic

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Dutch Republic to :Category:Establishments in the Dutch Republic

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in French India

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in French India by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in French India

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in French India to :Category:Establishments in French India

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Republic of Genoa

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Republic of Genoa by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Republic of Genoa

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Republic of Genoa to :Category:Establishments in the Republic of Genoa

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Habsburg Monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Habsburg Monarchy by millennium‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Habsburg Monarchy by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Habsburg Monarchy

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Habsburg Monarchy‎ to :Category:Disestablishments in the Habsburg Monarchy‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Habsburg Monarchy to :Category:Establishments in the Habsburg Monarchy

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Grand Duchy of Hesse

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Hesse by millennium

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Grand Duchy of Hesse to :Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Hesse

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Kingdom of Kakheti

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti by millennium‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Kingdom of Kakheti

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti to :Category:Disestablishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti to :Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Kakheti

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo) by millennium‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo) by millennium

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo) to :Category:Disestablishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo)

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo) to :Category:Establishments in the Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Mughal Empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Mughal Empire by millennium‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Mughal Empire by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Mughal Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Mughal Empire to :Category:Disestablishments in the Mughal Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Mughal Empire to :Category:Establishments in the Mughal Empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in New France

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in New France by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in New France by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in New France

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in New France (note: :Category:Disestablishments in New France already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in New France (note: :Category:Establishments in New France already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in New Spain

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in New Spain by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in New Spain by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in New Spain

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in New Spain (note: :Category:Disestablishments in New Spain already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in New Spain (note: :Category:Establishments in New Spain already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Ottoman Empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Ottoman Empire by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Ottoman Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire to :Category:Disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Ottoman Empire to :Category:Establishments in the Ottoman Empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Ottoman Syria

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Ottoman Syria

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth to :Category:Disestablishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth to :Category:Establishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Prussia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Prussia by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Prussia by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Prussia

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Prussia to :Category:Disestablishments in Prussia

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Prussia to :Category:Establishments in Prussia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Roman Republic

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Roman Republic by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:1st millennium BC in the Roman Republic

:* Propose renaming :Category:1st-millennium BC establishments in the Roman Republic to :Category:Establishments in the Roman Republic

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Saxony

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Saxony by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Saxony

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Saxony to :Category:Establishments in Saxony

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Kingdom of Sicily

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Sicily by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Kingdom of Sicily

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Kingdom of Sicily to :Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Sicily

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in South-West Africa

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in South-West Africa by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in South-West Africa by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in South-West Africa

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in South-West Africa to :Category:Disestablishments in South-West Africa

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in South-West Africa to :Category:Establishments in South-West Africa

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Soviet Union

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Soviet Union by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Soviet Union

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Soviet Union to :Category:Establishments in the Soviet Union

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Swedish colonial empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Swedish colonial empire by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Swedish colonial empire by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Swedish colonial empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Swedish colonial empire to :Category:Disestablishments in the Swedish colonial empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Swedish colonial empire to :Category:Establishments in the Swedish colonial empire

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the State of the Teutonic Order

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the State of the Teutonic Order by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the State of the Teutonic Order

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the State of the Teutonic Order to :Category:Establishments in the State of the Teutonic Order

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Thirteen Colonies

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in the Thirteen Colonies by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Thirteen Colonies

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Thirteen Colonies (note: :Category:Disestablishments in the Thirteen Colonies already exists)

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Thirteen Colonies (note: :Category:Establishments in the Thirteen Colonies already exists)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to :Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Württemberg

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Württemberg by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Württemberg by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Württemberg

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Württemberg to :Category:Disestablishments in Württemberg

:* Propose renaming :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Württemberg to :Category:Establishments in Württemberg

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:Nominator's rationale: delete/rename because the Old Swiss Confederacy only existed in the 2nd millennium. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

:: Same applies to Crown of Aragon, Austria-Hungary, Duchy of Carniola, Kingdom of Castile, Czechoslovakia, Dutch Republic, French India, Republic of Genoa, Habsburg Monarchy, Grand Duchy of Hesse, Kingdom of Kakheti, Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo), New France, New Spain, Ottoman Empire, Ottoman Syria, Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Kingdom of Prussia, Kingdom of Saxony, Kingdom of Sicily, South-West Africa, Soviet Union, Swedish overseas colonies, State of the Teutonic Order. Thirteen Colonies, Grand Duchy of Tuscany, County of Württemberg, Duchy of Württemberg and Kingdom of Württemberg. On the other hand the Roman Republic only existed in the 1st millennium BC, so no reason to split by millennium either. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: Marcocapelle, I applaud your thoroughness in building this nomination. The history of Carniola goes back into the first millennium, but I can't see any scope to categorise any articles with a specific date of establishment before 1000, so I have no objection. I've given {{c|Establishments in Carniola}} a trimmed version of the template from {{c|20th-century establishments in Carniola}}. There will be plenty more scope to provide specific navigation templates of that kind if this is approved. The main loss to the encyclopedia will be that :Category:2nd-millennium establishments by country will no longer have a full breakdown by country, although navigation via its century sub-cats will not be affected. – Fayenatic London 22:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

:::* The job you have done here, with renaming proposed where possible, is even better than I had first realised. I've now added templates on the few others noted as "already exists" in your nomination. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

::::* For the record, the Carniola navigation template is not needed any more after merger at CFD Jan 3. – Fayenatic London 11:15, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

:* I guess there shouldn't be an objection against keeping e.g. :Category:Disestablishments in Württemberg parented to :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

::* Good idea. – Fayenatic London 20:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: The reason that these categories were created is that the "Millennia" categories appear as redlinks on century categories when using standard templates. There are two options for getting rid of the redlinks when these categories are deleted: (1) expand the century templates (using "subst:") and then trim the result; or (2) edit the century templates, so that millennia categories only appear if they exist. Until now I have been adopting the first approach, but if we are getting rid of so many millennia categories then it will be better to change the templates. The latter also means that new century categories using the templates will not prompt people to (re-)create millennia categories.

:Pinging {{ping|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars}} {{ping|Od Mishehu}} re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:EstcatCountryCentury&diff=472026117&oldid=471036270]. – Fayenatic London 08:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

:* Agree on the second option. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support per nom and again applaud his thoroughness. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support, with thanks. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support as the loon who probably created half of these is not more. I agree that we should just add a parameter in the century template that ignores the millennium option as the hard-coded text on its own is quite difficult to parse. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• {{ping|Ricky81682}} I've edited Template:EstcatCountryCentury to make the millennium parameter optional. If you want to discuss alternative methods, see Template talk:EstcatCountryCentury. – Fayenatic London 22:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: it might make this more attractive to be closed if one or more of us indicated a willingness to implement it. Well, I'm up for it. – Fayenatic London 22:06, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

:: Support closure and listing at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual. Then the manual work can begin. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:History of the Old Swiss Confederacy to :Category:Old Swiss Confederacy

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, there is no point in having a separate history category, because all of it is history. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mayors of Moorhead, Minnesota to :Category:People from Moorhead, Minnesota and :Category:Mayors of places in Minnesota

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Only has 1 entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

:Support per nomination, this is overcategorization. Sionk (talk) 00:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Theatres in Los Angeles County, California to :Category:Theaters in Los Angeles County, California

:* Propose renaming :Category:Theatres in Los Angeles, California to :Category:Theatres in Los Angeles, California

:* Propose renaming :Category:Theatres in Hollywood, California to :Category:Theatres in Hollywood, California

:Nominator's rationale: For some reason, this category was renamed to Theatres instead of Theaters (which is now a soft redirect) even though it is a British spelling and Los Angeles and Hollywood are in the US. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

::Comment There are additional theatre categories around Los Angeles but it's New Year's Eve and I'm done editing. I'll add them tomorrow or someone else can add them. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose per the US parent :Category:Theatres in the United States. This was extensively debated at cfd long ago: eg in 2008. Oculi (talk) 02:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• keep as is The difference between 'Cinemas and movie theaters' (films) vs theatres (play houses) in the US (and elsewhere) and in WP is well established and reflected in the WP category structure. For example :Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in Los Angeles, California is established and populated. Hmains (talk) 04:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

::I bow to previous discussions on this subject. It just seemed anomalous to have a British spelling in the U.S. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose Unnecessary variation in spelling in the same category tree. Dimadick (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• Comment I conceptually agree with the nomination, but I don't think these minor spelling oddities are worth changing. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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