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== Category:Power Core Combiners ==

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:The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. No relevant rationale was supplied by the nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:36, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Power Core Combiners}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. There are plenty of suitable parent categories. TTN (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment: I know nothing about the subject, but this category has a main page Transformers: Power Core Combiners and 13 other articles, plus a redirect. As there are two substantive parent categories, it does seem to be doing a worthwhile job for sub-dividing related articles, i.e. it helps navigation – which is what categories are for. – Fayenatic London 15:51, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Procedural oppose, no relevant rationale has been given. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Works about fairy tales ==

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Works about fairy tales to :Category:Works in folkloristics and :Category:Fairy tales

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in this category. Note that the first target category has been nominated for rename, just below. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Withdraw proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Works in folkloristics ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Works in folkloristics to :Category:Works about folklore

:Nominator's rationale: rename to match with the actual content of this category, which is quite a bit broader than just (academic) folkloristics works. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Rename as proposed. The wider scope will prevent confusion. Pichpich (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. Folklore itself is a much wider topic than folkloristics and there are several relative articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. Yes, the category is broader -- and then there is syntax/naming issue. It was created by Stefanomione, who had a predilection for (mis)naming categories "in" fields of study, usually with a more complicated, convoluted name than needed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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==== Category:Boston Board of Aldermen members ====

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:The result of the discussion was: keep (i.e. do not merge). Consensus is that there is a difference. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted at CfD 2016 June 25 --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Boston Board of Aldermen members to :Category:Boston city councillors :Category:Boston City Council members (amended in light of discussion immediately below resulting in a rename Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC))

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary subcategory. A distinction without a difference. TM 20:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment Prior to 1909, Boston City Council was bicameral and had 8 Aldermen in the upper house and 75 Common Council members in the lower house. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep. {{u|RevelationDirect}} pointed out the remarkable difference, and there is sufficient room for expansion. --PanchoS (talk) 16:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

:::If this is kept, there would be similar such categories for virtually every city in the United States.--TM 01:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Namiba}} how would that be? Very few cities have had bicameral city councils. In most cases, "alderman" is just another name for "city councilor", but the two terms here appear to not have been synonymous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

:::::Most cities had bicameral councils at one time or another. Everett, Massachusetts did away with their bicameral city government just a few years ago. [http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/12/08/everetts_bicameral_government_will_become_historical_footnote_in_2014/ Established to mirror the state and federal legislation system, bicameral governments were once popular in New England but began to be phased out early in the last century.] or [https://books.google.com/books?id=1sVAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=bicameral+city+council&source=bl&ots=yEgl2K4g1R&sig=uNyyezZYab9HmHAC_C6T1YbXaS0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzqs304L_NAhWFVyYKHRHrDvkQ6AEIdjAQ#v=onepage&q=bicameral%20city%20council&f=false Originally, the majority of cities, following the federal example, by a bicameral council].--TM 03:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Boston city councillors ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Boston city councillors to :Category:Boston City Council members

:Nominator's rationale: To match other city council categories. TM 15:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Support Clearer and matches standard naming. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Close to being a speedy renaming candidate given the format of the relevant subcategories of :Category:American city council members. Pichpich (talk) 23:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - per above. Neutralitytalk 04:59, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Question: All other per-country categories of {{cat|City councillors}} use "city councillors" rather than "city council members". I actually don't see a benefit of the more verbose, less idiomatic wording. Is there an important reason to deviate from the general scheme? --PanchoS (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

::It had to do with the fact that some US city councils historically (and a smaller number technically still do) denoted their members as "alderman" rather than "councillor" — so a compromise wording was selected to forestall editwarring over whether "city councillors" or "aldermen" was the more appropriate name for any individual category. (Canada also has that issue, though for some reason there's never really been any editwarring over the Canadian category names being at "councillors" — and many other countries never had the issue at all, because they used different terms all along.) Bearcat (talk) 18:24, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

::: {{Ping|PanchoS}} As an American English speaker, I don't think I've ever heard "councilor" used to describe someone on a council. I'd figure it out if it was written but if it was said to me verbally I would hear "counselor". RevelationDirect (talk) 17:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

::: If the situation was similar to the Boston case (see above) in many other U.S. cities, then no compromise is needed, as the Aldermen deserve their own-subcategories. --PanchoS (talk) 16:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Old Moroccan regions ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Chaouia-Ouardigha geography stubs}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Marrakesh-Tensift-El Haouz geography stubs}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Souss-Massa-Drâa geography stubs}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Tadla-Azilal geography stubs}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Taza-Al Hoceima-Taounate geography stubs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete the remainder of stub categories for the old regions of Morocco. Morocco saw a change to its regional division in September of 2015. This will remove the rest of the categories for the previous divisional structure. Dawynn (talk) 12:51, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Indian (Marathi/Malayalam) film score composers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming or upmerging:

:Nominator's rationale: Most (4 out of 6) of the subcategories of the parent :Category:Indian film score composers are titled Fooland film score composers, as are all the subcategories of :Category:Film score composers by nationality. Any composers of songs for films but not the score would be included in the parent category "Fooland composers" (e.g. :Category:Indian composers). Hugo999 (talk) 04:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

::Hi, for Malayalam it was done weeks before, but 'mis-renamed' for unknown reasons; category now re-established as per parent category tree :Category:Indian film score composers, thx for taking notice, Roland zh (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

:::ref "for unknown reasons" found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Malayalam_film_composers&diff=725296077&oldid=720583985 that edit on 14 June 2016 19:51] and [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/725296077 that !??! edit] on 16 June 2016 08:20, both by :User:IndianCinemaRasigan, Roland zh (talk) 12:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC) [edit Roland zh (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)]

::{{comment}} {{ping|Hugo999}}: yes, this topic, I meant, Malayalam-related done, no additional comments, as two statements done hours before, Roland zh (talk) 22:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Rename/merge as part of the global {{cat|Film score composers}}. The edit summary by User:IndianCinemaRasigan (in the edit linked above) claims that “film score” refers to incidental music as opposed to songs. The article film score agrees with that statement at the moment, although it has no citation for that point. Many of these Indian composer biographies state that "X was a film score and soundtrack composer", which I think probably means that s/he composed both the incidental music and the songs. If that is right, then I believe the right outcome is not to broaden the category name, but to include those composers in appropriate sub-cats of {{cat|Indian songwriters}} as well as in "Film score composers". – Fayenatic London 20:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Conservative American magazines ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:48, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Conservative American magazines to :Category:American conservative magazines

:Nominator's rationale: As in :Category:British conservative magazines. fgnievinski (talk) 02:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom For consistency reasons. Dimadick (talk) 08:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename, for linguistic style reasons as well. --PanchoS (talk) 12:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename this strange category. Fgnievinski, good catch! gidonb (talk) 20:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:White Shoe law firms ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|White Shoe law firms}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is no clear definition of "white shoe." It is a very subjective category, and is used differently by different people (unlike, say, Magic Circle and Silver Circle in the UK, which are commonly understood to refer to a fixed group of firms). Some people, for instance, would say that only the traditional WASP-dominated firms in NYC are really "white-shoe" and that more "upstart" places don't qualify even if they are highly prestigious. Given the haziness of the category, and its lack of usefulness, it should be deleted. Sekicho (talk) 02:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Restaurants and bars in Israel ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Only content was {{Cat|Restaurants in Israel}}, which has been re-categorized. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Restaurants and bars in Israel}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary combination of categories gidonb (talk) 01:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete apparently unnecessary as there is not "bars" category, and there doesn't seem to be a "restaurants and bars" category tree by country of which it's a part. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Effectively delete, but technically rename/merge to the newer {{cat|Gastronomy in Israel}} which is properly parented within the {{cat|Category:Gastronomy by country}} tree. --PanchoS (talk) 02:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Agree with rationale, though upmerge to :Category:Food and drink companies of Israel to keep the restaurants in that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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