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== Roman Catholic dioceses in Africa ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep as per the exception to WP:SMALLCAT. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 21:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting:

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Swaziland

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in the Gambia

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Mauritania

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Somalia

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in São Tomé and Príncipe

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Djibouti

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Mauritius

::* :Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Seychelles

:Nominator's rationale The Church is organised as a single diocese in (each of these countries. {{small|PanchoS}}) Will only ever contain a single article. Delete per WP:Smallcat. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC) — {{small|combined eight individual nominations --PanchoS (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2016 (UTC)}}

:* Oppose per WP:SMALLCAT: "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme." {{cat|Category:Roman Catholic dioceses by country}} is a textbook example for this. It doesn't hurt if a dozen of these 142 categories is too small, as long as the large majority isn't. --PanchoS (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Keep Categories/Delete List Articles I'm with PanchoS on this one: these complete a set that is generally well populated. The list articles in these categories are nuts though: I'd be all about an AfD nomination for List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Mauritania. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep This is a case of a reasonable exception to the small cat rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:48, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep -- I thought I was going to vote to merge with an Africa category, but most of the dioceses are named from a city, not the country, so that (unexpectedly) I see some point in their retention. The list articles are clearly. A list that is only ever going to have one item is a complete waste of time. I would suggest that the list articles be converted to redirects to the one article. We do this with articles on peerages in UK that have only ever had one holder, because the holder has no son entitled to inherit, with the result that it became extinct on his death. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Non-governmental organisations operating in Afghanistan ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Organisations based in Afghanistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Non-governmental organisations operating in Afghanistan}}

:Nominator's rationale: In line with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_5#Category:Non-governmental_organizations_by_country Rathfelder (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Merge to parent category :Category:Organisations based in Afghanistan per the results of the previous discussion. These categories were not simply deleted, they were merged to others. Dimadick (talk) 09:30, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Merge -- I had expected this to be listing all the aid organisations with operations there, which I would have complained about as being a performance by performer category, but it is not like that at present. My only query is whether all are based in, rather than a neighbouring country. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Bissau-Guinean law ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. It's not clear whether Bissau-Guinean or Guinea-Bissauan is correct. Sources use both. Consistency is probably desirable, but there's no consensus one way or the other at the moment. If this is renominated in the future, I recommend nominating all Bissau-Guinean categories together. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 05:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Bissau-Guinean law to :Category:Law in Guinea-Bissau

:Nominator's rationale: The "Bissau-Guinea" convention is used only for specific people categories, and this cat is a mixture of topics referring both to the country, which is referred to as "Guinea-Bissau", and particular occupations of people. MSJapan (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • do not change This category is named to match the other 249 sub-categories in :Category:Law by country. There is no good reason to make this an exception to the pattern. If anything must be changed, it needs to be :Category:Bissau-Guinea law Hmains (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • "Bissau-Guinea" is not a valid adjective. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:06, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. There's no country named "Bissau-Guinea". It's Guinea-Bissau. No preference in regard to {{cat|Law in Guinea-Bissau}} or {{cat|Bissau-Guinea law}}. --PanchoS (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Question The demonym listed in the Guinea-Bissau article based on the [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2110.html#pu CIA Factbook] is "Bissau-Guinean". Is that not accurate? RevelationDirect (talk) 01:46, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename to :Category:Law in Guinea-Bissau, the suggested denonym is confusing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. :Category:Law by country uses the "FOOian law" form, and "Bissau-Guinean" is the correct FOOian for Guinea-Bissau. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:05, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment, Cambridge dictionary provides "Guinea-Bissauan" [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/guinea-bissauan] as the main variant. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • They were all changed to "Bissau-Guinean" here, which was based on this. I've seen both in use. I have no idea which is more common. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Alt rename to {{cat|Guinea-Bissauan law}} in this case. There we have a naming solution that is not only easily recognizable, but consistent with the cat tree and the sort order. --PanchoS (talk) 08:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • This renaming back would make the category inconsistent with other subcategories in {{Cat|Guinea-Bissau}} that use the FOOian form. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Another comment, the government of Guina-Bissau uses both adjectives even on a single page: [http://www.guinebissaurepublic.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=88&Itemid=155]. In that case I would suggest using Guinea-Bissauan in Wikipedia throughout, as the more intuitive variant. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Generally support -- Occasionally, we have to have category names that do not fit the standard pattern. In this case it is because there is no satisfactory demonym. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Why are neither possibilities satisfactory? It seems to me that both are good, we just need to choose which one to use and be consistent. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Bissau-Guinean society ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. It's not clear whether Bissau-Guinean or Guinea-Bissauan is correct. Sources use both. Consistency is probably desirable, but there's no consensus one way or the other at the moment. If this is renominated in the future, I recommend nominating all Bissau-Guinean categories together. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 05:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Bissau-Guinean society to :Category:Society of Guinea-Bissau

:Nominator's rationale: The "Bissau-Guinea" convention is used only for specific people. The cat content here are overarching general topics referring to the country, which is referred to as "Guinea-Bissau". MSJapan (talk) 19:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • do not change This category was named to match the other 225+ sub-categories found in the :Category:Society by nationality category. There is no reason to make this an exception to the pattern. Hmains (talk) 19:37, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. There's no country named "Bissau-Guinea". It's Guinea-Bissau. --PanchoS (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Combine This nomination should match the outcome of the one above, whether I agree with it or not. (And, at this point, I'm neutral.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:48, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. :Category:Society by nationality uses the "FOOian society" form, and "Bissau-Guinean" is the correct FOOian for Guinea-Bissau. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:05, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment, Cambridge dictionary provides "Guinea-Bissauan" [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/guinea-bissauan] as the main variant. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • They were all changed to "Bissau-Guinean" here, which was based on this. I've seen both in use. I have no idea which is more common. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Alt rename to {{cat|Guinea-Bissauan society}} in this case. There we have a naming solution that is not only easily recognizable, but consistent with the cat tree and the sort order. --PanchoS (talk) 08:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  • This renaming back would make the category inconsistent with other subcategories in {{Cat|Guinea-Bissau}} that use the FOOian form. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • REanme to :Category:Society in Guinea-Bissau. We need a non-standard solution, because there is no satisfactory demonym. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Why are neither possibilities satisfactory? It seems to me that both are good, we just need to choose which one to use and be consistent. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Poverty-related probems ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 22:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Poverty-related probems}}

:Nominator's rationale: Typo aside, the term "problems" seems inappropriate here - it's POV to describe the activity or existence of dumpster divers, squatters and squeegee men as "problems". Could rename to "Poverty-related issues", but that doesn't seem very different to just "Category:Poverty". McGeddon (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* You're suggesting a rename. Perhaps that's an option. However these issues are so complex, I wonder if ever social sciences will establish what is the consequence or cause of what. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Converts to Sufism ==

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:The result of the discussion was: double merge, manually checking for each article whether that is indeed appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Converts to Sufism}}

:Nominator's rationale: One does not convert to Sufism as it is not a sect or denomination of Islam, rather, it is the spiritual dimension. People can embrace Sufi teachings, but they cannot convert to Sufism. This is the rationale provided by Aynalqudat, however, WP:PROD is only valid on articles. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • True. However, upmerge to both parent categories. --PanchoS (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete but add :Category:Converts to Islam if it applies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:51, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Double merge to the appropriate national sub-cat of {{c|Sufis}}, where needed, and to {{c|Converts to Islam}} where appropriate. – Fayenatic London 15:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Organizations based in Thailand ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. There is no strong national tie one way or the other, but the parent category is "organizations", so the arguments to rename are strong. We really do need a definitive guideline on which countries use which variant, but that's a much larger discussion. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 05:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Women's organisations in Thailand to :Category:Women's organizations in Thailand

:* Propose renaming :Category:Defunct organisations of Thailand to :Category:Defunct organizations of Thailand

:Nominator's rationale: Following head category and siblings renamed per consensus at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_20#Category:Organisations_based_in_Thailand. Opposed speedy nominations (note: the others below were processed under WP:C2E). – Fayenatic London 15:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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  • I am happy to consent. I have better things to do with my time than argue about the spelling of organisation.Rathfelder (talk) 22:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

::I think moving these categories sets a bad precedent. The CFD was deeply flawed, it violated the spirit and letter of our policies, and subsequent CFD's have shown more respect for allowing diversity of spelling varieties on the project. We are a global project, not an American one. AusLondonder (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

:::This is a whole other ball of wax, but I think that there is at least a decent argument that could be made that when we are dealing with a country that is non-English speaking and does not otherwise have a close connection or tie to one form of English or another, Oxford spelling should be used. The only reason I say this is that the UN and its specialized bodies have adopted Oxford spelling, and so it may represent a form of English that is familiar in some of these countries. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

::::Interesting argument, you do make a good point. I have a feeling though that quite a lot of objections would be raised by editors such as Paul012 to moving categories such as :Category:National trade union centers of South Korea to :Category:National trade union centres of South Korea or :Category:Labor in Taiwan to :Category:Labour in Taiwan. There's certainly ample opportunity to do that if we decide on Oxford spelling as a default. The question is whether we just leave it up to the creator in the absence of national ties, given that both organisation and organization are understood to mean the same thing. I think the CFD in 2014 was a serious mistake, given that WP:COMMONALITY currently reads "Insisting on a single term or a single usage as the only correct option does not serve the purposes of an international encyclopedia" and given that WP:RETAIN should have prevented that move. Furthermore, most editors expressed some form of opposition so the close as rename should have been challenged in my view. It didn't create a precedent (which should be established project-wide) as other CFD's of a similar vein have not been successful. AusLondonder (talk) 01:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

:::::Yes, I certainly think that things in practice have gone the way more of RETAIN than of trying to adopt some consistent standard for non-English speaking places. I personally think it would be a good idea to adopt an "international" standard for these cases, but like you I can foresee that there would be pushback. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

::::::It's certainly something I would consider supporting as Wikipedia is the sort of publication you could expect to use Oxford spelling as a default (in non-TIES cases). And Oxford spelling combines elements of both "British" and "American" spelling. Just a question, do you know when the now deleted :Category:Organisations based in Thailand was created? AusLondonder (talk) 04:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

:::::::The original :Category:Organisations based in Thailand was created in 2006; I have undeleted the history. Before that it was at :Category:Thai organisations which was created in Sept 2005. – Fayenatic London 11:30, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

:::::AusLondonder, I don't personally have any issue against non-Oxford British spelling (which I personally use outside of Wikipedia articles), and much less care for categories related to South Korea or Taiwan, of whose English usage patterns I know nothing. My proposed renames have only been in response to prior proposals that attempted to harmonise usage within each country-related category tree (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 June 9). Now supporting that attempt might not have been a great idea, seeing as it's stirring up such a fuss now, but the whole idea is still debatable as both WP:RETAIN and WP:ENGVAR are directed at usage within article text, and don't mention categories at all. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

  • {{ping|Bohemian Baltimore}}, following [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anjaree&diff=prev&oldid=721591446 this edit], would you consent or object to speedy renaming to the spelling "Women's organizations in Thailand"? – Fayenatic London 14:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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:* I said: let's seriously consider it. If such a proposal had substantial support and would once for all end this awful territorial marking in both article mainspace and categories, then major but straightforward change might be acceptable, though we'd need a rollout strategy. Alternatively, we might want to start an extensive article on the spelling of English by country, that could then be condensed into an authoritative list of countries predominantly using this or that variant. --PanchoS (talk) 22:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment, let's at least consistently apply one type of ENGVAR within a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

::I agree but :Category:Organisations based in Thailand was stable from 2005. It was moved in a totally flawed way that the admin must explain. AusLondonder (talk) 08:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom - PanchoS's suggestion is worth looking into. Neutralitytalk 16:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename. As I suggested in the speedy discussion, I would support using Oxford spelling as a default when the country does not have ties to any particular form of English. The UN and other international organizations use Oxford spelling, so that creates a type of "tie", weak though it may be, from that country to a form of English. Having a default rule would resolve many issues such as this. I think that this could be applied to category space before we worry about applying it to article space. And I don't think we need to be concerned about how it would affect Color, Movie theater, Self-defense, or Television program, since those are general articles and not tied to any one country in particular. My suggested approach would only apply Oxford spelling to (1) topics that have a tie to a particular country and (2) that country does not have a tie to a particular form of English. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep and revert other changes. Enough of American cultural imperialism. I do not know which is the culturally appropriate ENGVAR. Whether American (due to the effects of R&R during the Vietnam war) or British (because it is next to Malaysia and near India, which use British orthography). Altering categories to match a global parent is exactly what we should not be doing. Perhaps the Admin needs a lesson in ENGVAR conventions. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • {{ping|Peterkingiron}} Why the assumption that "American imperialism" is behind this? It could just as well be "Oxford spelling imperialism". But why not assume good faith and not presume either? Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Beer and breweries by country ==

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:The result of the discussion was: renamed. The majority successfully argued that "beer by country" also includes breweries and is simpler title. Others also noted that the new name would allow separate categorization for breweries, whether it be by subcats or a split. I don't think that question has been fully resolved, so if someone would like to formally propose that in a new discussion, that might be fruitful. -- Tavix (talk) 21:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming:

::* :Category:Beer and breweries by country to :Category:Beer by country

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Albania to :Category:Beer in Albania

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Argentina to :Category:Beer in Argentina

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Armenia to :Category:Beer in Armenia

{{collapse top|82 more per-country categories}}

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Australia to :Category:Beer in Australia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Austria to :Category:Beer in Austria

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Azerbaijan to :Category:Beer in Azerbaijan

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Belarus to :Category:Beer in Belarus

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Belgium to :Category:Beer in Belgium

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Bolivia to :Category:Beer in Bolivia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Bosnia and Herzegovina‎ to :Category:Beer in Bosnia and Herzegovina‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Brazil to :Category:Beer in Brazil

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Bulgaria to :Category:Beer in Bulgaria

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Cambodia to :Category:Beer in Cambodia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Canada to :Category:Beer in Canada

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Channel Islands‎ to :Category:Beer in the Channel Islands‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Chile to :Category:Beer in Chile

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in China to :Category:Beer in China

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Colombia to :Category:Beer in Colombia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Costa Rica to :Category:Beer in Costa Rica

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Croatia to :Category:Beer in Croatia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Cuba to :Category:Beer in Cuba

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Cyprus to :Category:Beer in Cyprus

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Czech Republic‎ to :Category:Beer in the Czech Republic‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Denmark to :Category:Beer in Denmark

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Estonia to :Category:Beer in Estonia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Ethiopia to :Category:Beer in Ethiopia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Finland to :Category:Beer in Finland

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in France to :Category:Beer in France

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Germany to :Category:Beer in Germany

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Greece to :Category:Beer in Greece

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Hong Kong to :Category:Beer in Hong Kong

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Hungary to :Category:Beer in Hungary

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Iceland to :Category:Beer in Iceland

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in India to :Category:Beer in India

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Indonesia to :Category:Beer in Indonesia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Ireland to :Category:Beer in Ireland

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Israel to :Category:Beer in Israel

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Italy to :Category:Beer in Italy

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Japan to :Category:Beer in Japan

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Kenya to :Category:Beer in Kenya

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Korea to :Category:Beer in Korea

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in North Korea to :Category:Beer in North Korea

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in South Korea to :Category:Beer in South Korea

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Laos to :Category:Beer in Laos

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Latvia to :Category:Beer in Latvia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Lebanon to :Category:Beer in Lebanon

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Lithuania to :Category:Beer in Lithuania

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Luxembourg to :Category:Beer in Luxembourg

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Malaysia to :Category:Beer in Malaysia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Malta to :Category:Beer in Malta

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Isle of Man‎ to :Category:Beer in the Isle of Man

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Mexico to :Category:Beer in Mexico

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Montenegro to :Category:Beer in Montenegro

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Mexico to :Category:Beer in Mexico

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Netherlands‎ to :Category:Beer in the Netherlands‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in New Zealand to :Category:Beer in New Zealand

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Nigeria to :Category:Beer in Nigeria

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Norway to :Category:Beer in Norway

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Pakistan to :Category:Beer in Pakistan

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Palestinian territories‎ to :Category:Beer in the State of Palestine {{small|(anticipating this other CfD)}}

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Panama to :Category:Beer in Panama

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Peru to :Category:Beer in Peru

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the Philippines‎ to :Category:Beer in the Philippines‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Poland to :Category:Beer in Poland

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Portugal to :Category:Beer in Portugal

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Romania to :Category:Beer in Romania

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Russia to :Category:Beer in Russia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Serbia to :Category:Beer in Serbia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Singapore to :Category:Beer in Singapore

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Slovakia to :Category:Beer in Slovakia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Slovenia to :Category:Beer in Slovenia

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in South Africa to :Category:Beer in South Africa

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Spain to :Category:Beer in Spain

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Sri Lanka to :Category:Beer in Sri Lanka

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Suriname to :Category:Beer in Suriname

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Sweden to :Category:Beer in Sweden

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Switzerland to :Category:Beer in Switzerland

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Syria to :Category:Beer in Syria

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Taiwan to :Category:Beer in Taiwan

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Thailand to :Category:Beer in Thailand

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Turkey to :Category:Beer in Turkey

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Ukraine to :Category:Beer in Ukraine

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the United Kingdom‎ to :Category:Beer in the United Kingdom‎

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in the United States to :Category:Beer in the United States

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Venezuela to :Category:Beer in Venezuela

::* :Category:Beer and breweries in Vietnam to :Category:Beer in Vietnam

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:Nominator's rationale: These categories include beer styles, beer brands, beer culture, beer festivals, yes and brewing companies. Main articles include Beer in Germany, Beer in Belgium, Beer in France, Beer in Canada, or Beer in Australia, to name a few. The proper umbrella term therefore is {{cat|Beer by country}} to be further subdivided as necessary. PanchoS (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • do not change The fact that this category tree includes not only brewing companies but also the physical brewing plants, breweries, means that the current name is the most inclusive and helpful to the reader trying to navigate to the underlying articles--the purpose of categories. Hmains (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Even now, the brewers aren't mentioned, so how about a rename to {{cat|Beer, brewers, breweries, beer gardens and beer festivals by country}}? No, just kidding. I plainly disagree with the need to spell out every variation of the general topic which simply is: beer. --PanchoS (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Support, no need to mention subtopics.  Sandstein  17:51, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep -- The present name covers well the breadth of the subject. Do not forget that a lot of the beer drunk in Russia in the 18th century was brewed in Burton-upon-Trent. Which of the target categories would that be in? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. We don't need to mention the subtopics. The general topic is beer. The suggestion that it could potentially be {{cat|Beer, brewers, breweries, beer gardens and beer festivals by country}} makes the point well. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. As per WP:CAT, singular category names are topic categories and properly include subcategories and articles related to the topic. "Beer by country" is singular, so it's a topic category. Breweries are related to beer. Therefore, breweries can properly be categorized under "Beer by country". Given that, there's no need for the longer name. ~ RobTalk 07:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment The categories were created and named in order to bring together numerous separate categories, some of which focused on beer, others of which focused on breweries. Some breweries no longer make beer, so are included in cats such as :Category:Defunct brewery companies of the United States which is a subcat of :Category:Beer and breweries in the United States. Take "breweries" out of :Category:Beer and breweries in the United States, and some may feel that defunct breweries do not belong in a beer cat, and so it gets removed. Others may feel that as the cat no longer specifies "breweries", what would be needed is a cat specifically for :Category:Breweries in the United States, so the categorisation of breweries gets separated from beer, and we have two parallel cat systems which contain much crossover - essentially duplicating the categorisation as people may be inclined to put beer brands, such as Heineken, which carry the same name as the brewery, into both the beer and the brewery cat. Care would need to be taken to ensure that the new brewery cat organisation structure would not become separated from the umbrella cat and so make it more difficult for readers to research on a given topic. Under the present name it is clear that both the beer and the breweries go in the umbrella cat, after which they can separate into subcats as appropriate. I'm not sure we could keep all related topics together if we drop the "breweries" word from the name. If I had the time I would link here the discussions the Beer Wikiproject had in creating the Beer and breweries cats so we could revisit the reasoning to see if it is still valid several years down the line. I am not opposing (or supporting) this proposal, but I am not clear on how helpful it would be, while I can see it being problematic. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

: :Category:Defunct brewery companies of the United States is a subcat of :Category:Brewing companies of the United States, which would of course remain a subcat of {{cat|Beer in the United States}}, as {{cat|Brewery buildings in the United States‎}} or {{cat|Beer festivals in the United States‎}} do. Of course, we have to standardize the per-country-categories within {{cat|Breweries by country}}, but that's a minor followup task. --PanchoS (talk) 12:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

::I haven't explained my concern clearly enough. I understand that existing subcats will remain in the renamed cat at the point of renaming. My concern is that someone may be inclined to remove them at a later date because it is not clear why a defunct brewery article should be in a beer cat. The rationale at the time of creating was, same as :Category:Food and drink, to bring together two main and related topics under one umbrella term. I am not clear in this proposal why it is felt more helpful to remove the word breweries than it would be to leave it in. The explain is "The proper umbrella term therefore is {{cat|Beer by country}}" which is not an explanation, but an assertion. I assume there is a rationale behind this as others have agreed, so that is why I am not opposing. But at this point, having read through the discussion, it is still not clear to me how helpful it is, whereas I am concerned it would require monitoring after the name change to prevent drift toward parallel cat systems which split rather than coming together in an appropriate umbrella. Given that before we created this umbrella cat there were distinct brewery and beer cat systems which did not meet together, I am wondering what is in place now to stop that happening again. I will look for the earlier discussions to see if they might be helpful. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:11, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

:::Would a user really remove an article about a brewery because they would not understand why a brewery article should be in a beer category? I suppose it depends on how thick users are, but it seems pretty straightforward to me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

::::Possibly, because a brewery may not appear logically to belong in a subset of beer. Like :Category:Farms and :Category:Cattle, while connected, are not a subset of the other, but go up different routes to :Category:Agriculture. The more I think of this, the more I think that perhaps :Category:Brewing should be the umbrella cat, and that would allow :Category:Breweries and :Category:Beer to develop separate lines which can come together at :Category:Brewing. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose. OK, I've thought about this, and I see no advantage to the rename, but a potential for beer articles to become categorised along a different route to brewery articles. What I think would be worthwhile, however, is a shuffle of the cat system to make :Category:Brewing the umbrella cat above :Category:Beer and :Category:Breweries. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

:* {{re|SilkTork}} Not totally against your proposal, but wouldn't that still involve splitting {{cat|Beer and breweries by country}} into {{cat|Breweries by country}} and {{cat|Beer by country}}, with {{cat|Brewing by country}} being the parent category that holds the two together? --PanchoS (talk) 16:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Question to {{ping|SilkTork}} I see you have at least started the restructure that you suggested.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Breweries&diff=prev&oldid=727373374] I'm confused as you seem to have reversed your position expressed above, about articles that describe both a beer brand and a brewery company: these (many) articles would need to be categorised in both of the parallel hierarchies that you now seem to favour. Please would you expand on what you propose and why? – Fayenatic London 20:37, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

::* It doesn't feel right to have :Category:Brewing as the top category. I would expect :Category:Beer on top, while I would expect :Category:Brewing to focus specifically on the brewing process. Taking that in mind, I support the nominated proposal which would keep Beer on top of each country. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Dairy farming by country ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming:

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Argentina to :Category:Dairy in Argentina

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Australia to :Category:Dairy in Australia

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Canada to :Category:Dairy in Canada

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Chile to :Category:Dairy in Chile

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Denmark to :Category:Dairy in Denmark

::* :Category:Dairy farming in France to :Category:Dairy in France

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Hong Kong to :Category:Dairy in Hong Kong

::* :Category:Dairy farming in India to :Category:Dairy in India

::* :Category:Dairy farming in New Zealand to :Category:Dairy in New Zealand

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Pakistan to :Category:Dairy in Pakistan

::* :Category:Dairy farming in Serbia to :Category:Dairy in Serbia

::* :Category:Dairy farming in the United Arab Emirates to :Category:Dairy in the United Arab Emirates

::* :Category:Dairy farming in the United Kingdom to :Category:Dairy in the United Kingdom

::* :Category:Dairy farming in the United States to :Category:Dairy in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Dairy may refer to the establishment where milk is processed, which isn't strictly part of "dairy farming". "Dairy" is however also used as a synonym of the Dairy industry as a whole, which includes farming, processing, marketing, and the actual products. It is therefore best suited as an umbrella category that may (and often does) include all of these branches.
Note that, as almost all per-country subcategories don't contain a single article on actual dairy farming, I'm proposing a full rename. Given there is enough content, "Dairy farming in foo" subcategories may of course be split off the respective umbrella category. PanchoS (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Strong oppose - in my type of education, and Engvar region, I have never heard of dairy operations, farming or production called just dairy - if you dont like 'farming' per se, why not dairy production or industry JarrahTree 12:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Don't know your "ENGVAR region", but please see the [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dairy Free Dictionary], [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/dairy Cambridge dictionary], [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de/definition/englisch/dairy Oxford dictionary], [http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dairy Collins dictionary]. They all refer to "dairy" as a stand-alone noun aggregating the whole sector, including farming, processing, selling, and the actual products. --PanchoS (talk) 13:17, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::comment regardless of the 'proof' of the links provided, I still think for a category here on wikipedia it would be better to have a qualifier, I would say 'dairy industry' is more amenable to common understanding and approachable than the singular 'dairy' JarrahTree 14:11, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:::From an economic, Western-focussed point of view I would agree with "dairy industry" being a good term, but from a cultural, historical or food consumption perspective, it's not – perspectives that prevail in the Global South much more than in the Western world where we're tending to industrialize everything. But let others weigh in. --PanchoS (talk) 15:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::::Fair enough, I dont think the naming of a category needs to carry (or not) the load of the curse of the western world - lets hope others do, (anthropologically speaking from my fieldwork experience in south east asia I would have elicited complete and utter blank looks as to what the hell the word meant, unless I used the word milk...) JarrahTree 15:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Oppose Not a common term outside the US. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:comment According to JarrahTree above "Dairy" will make many south east asians have a blank look, and it is also weird for at least one portuguese guy (that is, me). My usual online english dictionary completely failed me this time: "[http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=dairy S: (n) dairy, dairy farm (a farm where dairy products are produced)]". So, Can we get something with milk on the name? milk industry? milk production? milk products?... none sounds great, I know... but dairy sounds even worse, to me - Nabla (talk) 11:12, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose Dairy farming means keeping cows for milk. A dairy is the place where milk is processed to make it ready for sale. These are different things, though both aspects of the same process. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:07, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:South Korean television miniseries ==

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:The result of the discussion was: redirect after the category had already been emptied before closure. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|South Korean television miniseries}}

:Nominator's rationale: Most Korean dramas are in miniseries format. This category is redundant with :Category:South Korean drama television series. Random86 (talk) 07:10, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Then redirect rather than delete, as this category name is liable to be used again. – Fayenatic London 11:03, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Inspirational television series ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 22:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Inspirational television series}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category seems very unclear and subjective. What is the criteria for inclusion in this category? Random86 (talk) 07:02, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Non-governmental organization stubs ==

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted here. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 07:15, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Non-governmental organization stubs}}

:Nominator's rationale: The main category has been deleted Rathfelder (talk) 07:00, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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==== Category:Security issues ====

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. The AFD resulted in the articles being renamed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Security issues to :Category:National security

:* Propose renaming :Category:Security issues by country to :Category:National security by country (added June 5)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Security issues in Colombia to :Category:National security in Colombia (added June 5)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Security issues in Slovenia to :Category:National security in Slovenia (added June 5)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Security issues in Yemen to :Category:National security in Yemen (added June 5)

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::: This relates to the merge proposal only. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

  • {{ping|Marcocapelle}} True, but deleting only the parent categories would create orphan categories. Please nominate all of them, and I will support your nomination. --PanchoS (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Could you please explain more precisely how you would like me to revise the nomination? (Btw please note that I've proposed a merge, not a delete, so there won't be any orphans.) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::* Well, you would also rename {{cat|Security issues by country‎}} to {{cat|National security by country}}, {{cat|Security issues in Colombia‎}} to {{cat|National security in Colombia}}, {{cat|Security issues in Slovenia}} to {{cat|National security in Slovenia}}, and {{cat|Security issues in Yemen}} to {{cat|National security in Yemen}}. --PanchoS (talk) 22:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:::* Ah okay, I'll add those for the sake of consistent naming. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

::::* Support "National security" is definitely better than "Security issues". On second thought, "National security of Colombia" etc. would be even better. And on third thought, given the limited content we have for these three countries, we might also go further merging {{cat|Security issues}} to {{cat|Security}} and renaming the others accordingly to {{cat|Security by country}} {{cat|Security in Colombia}} etc. so it matches {{cat|Security in the United States}}. --PanchoS (talk) 22:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

:::::* Let's go for your third thought. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Years in international relations ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 20:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: delete in the spirit of WP:C1, as the only content are subcategories of single state (dis)establishments that are not about international relations. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Actually SMALLCAT plays a role here, indirectly. If, hypothetically, there would have been a large number of treaties and battles in every year category of international relations, nobody would have bothered that the state (dis)establishments have crept in these international relations categories as well. But it's overcategorization to have so many international relations year categories just for the sake of hosting the state (dis)establishments. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::* I thought the issue was the (dis)establishments categories themselves. If not, then I support upmerger for each category to the century category. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:::* The direct issue is the (dis)establishment categories. As said, SMALLCAT plays an indirect role. Because of the latter, I would also be fine with an upmerge as you proposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

  • In principle, Support -- I would however have preferred to see up deal first with the (dis)establishment categories that are the sole content, by merging them into century categories. This would leave these empty, and they would be deleted as a matter of course. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Populist parties in the Czech Republic ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. There's no consensus to upmerge and get rid of this category entirely, but there's no opposition to renaming. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 07:11, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming:

::* :Category:Populist parties in the Czech Republic to :Category:Populism in the Czech Republic

::* :Category:Populist parties in the Netherlands to :Category:Populism in the Netherlands

:Nominator's rationale: Bringing these ones in line with :Category:Populism in the United States.
While the implicit inclusion criteria for political parties as being "populist" were found both too subjective and too unspecific in a previous CfD consensus, where I had nominated the subsequently deleted {{cat|Populist parties in the United States}}. A categorization under the political concept of Populism, allowing more specific subcategories to define useful inclusion criteria, however seems perfectly acceptable. PanchoS (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Further discussion should focus on choosing between renaming vs. upmerging.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 03:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:American music history by year ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename per nom. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 22:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming:

:* :Category:American music history by year to :Category:Years in American music

:* :Category:British music history by year to :Category:Years in British music

:* :Category:Irish music history by year to :Category:Years in Irish music

:* :Category:Japanese music history by year to :Category:Years in Japanese music

:* :Category:Nigerian music history by year to :Category:Years in Nigerian music

:* :Category:Norwegian music history by year to :Category:Years in Norwegian music

:* :Category:Slovak music history by year to :Category:Years in Slovak music

:* :Category:South Korean music history by year to :Category:Years in South Korean music

:Nominator's rationale: per consistency with parent category {{cat|Years in music}}, all child categories, and similar categories such as: {{cat|Years in Canadian music}}, {{cat|Years in British politics}}, {{cat|Years in American cinema}}, {{cat|Years in Japanese television}}. PanchoS (talk) 01:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Agree: if they are all changed, including Australia (below) Hugo999 (talk) 01:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:* :Category:Australian music history by year to :Category:Years in Australian music

:Comment thanks Hugo for pointing the omission of Australia JarrahTree 02:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Support JarrahTree 02:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Recipients of the Military Cross (Belgium) ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Recipients of the Military Cross (Belgium)

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING) and WP:V

:The Military Cross (Belgium) is automatically given for 25 years of service in the Belgian military. According to the article, the award was established in 1885 and about 300 are currently issued every year so this award is not rare. A years of service award doesn't seem defining and there is no master list of recipients, making it hard to verify individual membership in this category. I complete list is not possible but I made sure all the contents of this category are here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Note: Notified Folks at 137 as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Belgium. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. -- GreenC 01:56, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete This award is non-defining to those who were awarded it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:52, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just a long service award. We don't have categories for those. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Category:Scottish Science Hall of Fame ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Scottish Science Hall of Fame

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)

: In 2005, the National Library of Scotland held on online poll on their web site to select the top 10 most popular deceased Scottish scientists of all time ([http://digital.nls.uk/scientists/about.html source]). We have no article on this award, just a redirect that points to that library article which makes no mention of the award. James Watt died 1819 and Alexander Graham Bell 1922: it's hard to see how either is defined by a web site celebrating them in 2005. I listed the current contents of the category here on the talk page in case someone thinks they can overcome WP:N to create a list article. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

:Note: Notified Mais oui! as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Scotland. – RevelationDirect (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. -- GreenC 01:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete -- Most halls of fame categories are OCAWARD categories. If there is a physical hall, with statues, pictures, memorabilia, etc (i.e. a museum), there may be some merit in such a category, but anyone could set up an Internet site virtual hall. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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