Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 October 29#

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: upmerge all to appropriate Northwestern Territory categories. {{re|Marcocapelle}} As the original proposer of this alternative, could you create a list of the appropriate categories and message me on my talk page with them so I can complete the upmerge? (Alternatively, you're welcome to carry it out directly, but I'm happy to make use of WP:CFD/W if helpful.) ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 08:05, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1795 establishments in Ohio}} original nomination

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1790 in Ohio}} added one day later

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1794 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1795 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1796 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1797 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1798 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1799 in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1790 establishments in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1794 establishments in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1796 establishments in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1797 establishments in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1798 establishments in Ohio}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|1799 establishments in Ohio}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category is an anachronism. Ohio was part of the Northwest Territory in 1795 and wasn't named Ohio till 1803. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:02, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• Alternative: merge to :Category:1795 establishments in the United States:Category:1795 establishments in the Northwest Territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

:* Target replaced after comment from Hugo999 below. Similarly merge the other year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: If it is proposed to upmerge to a Northwest Territory by year category then other Ohio “year” categories (1790 & 1794 to 1799) plus their "establishments in Ohio" subcategories eg :Category:1794 establishments in Ohio should also be upmerged for the years 1787 to 1802. The years are :Category:1790 in Ohio, :Category:1794 in Ohio, :Category:1795 in Ohio, :Category:1796 in Ohio, :Category:1797 in Ohio, :Category:1798 in Ohio, :Category:1799 in Ohio. The “Northwest Territory” by year categories mostly already exist for the years 1787 to 1803; with1803 for disestablishment only; see :Category:1787 in the Northwest Territory to :Category:1802 in the Northwest Territory. Hugo999 (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

:* Agree, I've taken the liberty to add the other years in this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• Upmerge to [x] in NT. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:44, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
• Merge all to Northwest Territory categories, preferable ones covering a whole decade. It is inappropriate for the target to be a subcat of decades in Michigan etc. Also there is a need for a capnote as in Northwest Territories due to several places with rather similar names. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
• Comment I seem to remember a multitude of previous nominations of this sort and how they amounted to more busy work on the part of editors with a fondness for such rather than anything that's really going to move the encyclopedia forward. The point being, in this context, is "Ohio" supposed to refer to a piece of geography or a state of mind? I believe that point has been raised before and no consensus was ever achieved. If there really is any confusion, it could be resolved by placing explanatory text at the top of the category page in lieu of endless CFDs. From what little Ohio history I remember from long ago, much of northeast Ohio was considered a part of Connecticut during the tail end of the 18th century, which confuses the matter even more. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
• Merge all to the Northwest Territory category. Various discusions have established that in the United States we use the name and the boundaries that reflect the political reality of the time. Whether we have enough contents for these categories to justify having categories for each year is a question best left for a seperate discussion. We have :Category:1825 establishments in Michigan Territory etc that reflect this fact.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
• Comment The "Connecticut claimed part of this territory" statement is not quite right. In 1786 all claims of rulership to the Northwest Territory were ceded to the Federal Government, and the Northwest Territory was created. All Americans operating in the Northwest Territory after that point accepted that they were under the political control of the Northwest Territory. The Western Reserve of Connecticut after that point was an area of land that Connecticut held the theoretical ownership of as land owner, but did not hold any political control over. It then sold off the land or gave it as grants.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:12, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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