Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 4

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:The result of the discussion was: split to :Category:Courtroom dramas, :Category:Courtroom drama television series and :Category:Courtroom drama plays, :Category:Courtroom novels and :Category:Courtroom films. {{ping|Bearcat}} please go ahead. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Courtroom dramas to :Category:Courtroom drama television series and :Category:Courtroom drama plays and :Category:Courtroom novels

:Nominator's rationale: Category which indiscriminately lumps films, television shows, novels and theatrical plays together specifically on the basis of a courtroom setting. While this may be a perfectly valid genre subcategory within the plays, television series, drama films and/or novels trees, it is not a criterion that cuts across all of those different kinds of content as a suitable basis for a single catchall category. Note that :Category:Courtroom films already exists as a subcategory, so I haven't included it as a new target here, although some things filed in this category will have to be diffused into it. Bearcat (talk) 22:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• {{ping|Bearcat}} Do you mean splitting and afterwards deleting :Category:Courtroom dramas? If that is the intention, it's not clear why :Category:Courtroom dramas can't stay as a parent category. If that is not the intention and you want to keep :Category:Courtroom dramas as a parent, then it's not clear why you nominate this at all, because it's just a case of creating extra child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
• {{ping|Bearcat|Marcocapelle}} Oh, I don't know, I think it can be good practice to make such a nomination, in case a consensus emerges that the proposed sub-cats would be WP:NARROWCAT. – Fayenatic London 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Crimes in ancient history to :Category:Crime in ancient history

:Nominator's rationale: Following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_28#Medieval_crimes, the medieval categories have been broadened from "crimes" to "crime", and it seems appropriate to rename the category for the ancient period likewise. It already contains :Category:Ancient criminals, but that one's other parent :Category:Criminals is in the :Category:Crime hierarchy rather than :Category:Crimes. – Fayenatic London 21:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
• Support -- It fits better. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:San Juan Jabloteh players to :Category:San Juan Jabloteh F.C. players

:Nominator's rationale: should match parent category :Category:San Juan Jabloteh F.C. and article name San Juan Jabloteh F.C. Joeykai (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 21:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Eneco Tour to :Category:BinckBank Tour

:Nominator's rationale: rename category to match with the recently renamed main article BinckBank Tour which is the name that is [http://www.sport.be/binckbanktour/2017/en/ on the tour's website]. A speedy nomination was declined. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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• :Category:Eneco Tour to :Category:BinckBank Tour – Category found in :Category:Categories for speedy renaming but not listed here; no idea why it was templated. Timrollpickering 20:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
• :Oppose - this is clearly a C2D request; however, the article was moved twice, 2 months apart, with no discussion in between - and the second was a couple of weeks ago. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Valatie, New York to :Category:People from Columbia County, New York

:Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just two entries, one of which is a redirect and questionable. Does living one's last years in a town's nursing home make them from there? ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ℯxplicit 04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|European Heritage Label}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, most of the articles don't even mention this label at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment -- This has the feel of an AWARD category to me. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Agree, so WP:OCAWARD may also apply. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

• Delete Per WP:OCAWARD How could this list of possible winners ever be defining?: "buildings, documents, museums, archives, monuments or events which are seen as milestones in the creation of today's Europe" RevelationDirect (talk) 01:37, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete non-defining to the things so categorized.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ℯxplicit 04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

:Nominator's rationale: Clarification still needed - What are our criteria for an "invention by country"? This has festered on for years and we're no better off. These categories are still no more than a playpen for POV nationalist socks. Is a "Croatian invention" one in Croatia, by a Croatian, by a Croatian ex-pat, or by someone with Croatian ancestry a century earlier? Is sourcing required for these claims? Or is WP:V to be ignored for these? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

• If it has been discussed before, please provide the links to the previous discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

:* It hasn't been discussed before. Any attempt to do so gets squashed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 29#Category:Inventions by country. But the problem still remains - highly-charged nationalistic categories, with no rules for either meaning or sourcing. These aren't encyclopedic, they're just a space for graffiti. The nearest we've had has often been the worst cases, the socks: Europefan Filipz123 Andy Dingley (talk) 08:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

::* The closure of the previous discussion seems to make sense. Please propose a rename or delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment As this is the parent category, you'd need to nominate all the sub-cats too, if you wanted them to be deleted. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:44, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
• See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology#National invention categories Andy Dingley (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
• Keep -- All that is potentially wrong with this is that it needs a head note to the effect that it is about where the invention was made not the nationality (or ancestry) of the inventor. Thus an invention by an Italian who had settled in USA would be an American invention, not an Italian one. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

: But such a statement needs more authority behind it than just one editor's footnote. The long-running sock wars won't be deflected by that. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment -- There are a number of category trees where the inclusion criteria is not 100% clear (e.g. "People from..." categories) so I would think we just need to use common sense. If there is a questionable inclusion it can be discussed on the relevant article's Talk page. There doesn't seem to be a proposal to delete, rename or merge here anyway! Sionk (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. ℯxplicit 04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

:::Note on implementation: this required changes to the templates {{tl|EstcatCountryDecade}} and {{tl|DisestcatCountryDecade}}. – Fayenatic London 07:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, as a mere housekeeping nomination. After this discussion and this discussion the content of ancient decades by country has mostly been reduced to just one (Roman/Byzantine Empire) subcategory. So we no longer need a by-country layer for decades. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support -- Can we get rid of the "continent" twig as well? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

:* Yes they have been nominated here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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