Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 30#Roman Egypt

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Corporate spin-offs (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Companies spun off from Nortel}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT. This would be fine if there were five or six things to file here, but it's not needed for just one. Bearcat (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• If there is indeed only one Nortel spin-off company that has a currently existing Wikipedia article, then Delete. Softlavender (talk) 04:47, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
• Merge to the parent :Category:Corporate spin-offs, as this is apparently WP:DEFINING enough to be mentioned in the lead section. – Fayenatic London 20:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:The Hill School faculty and :Category:School principals and headteachers (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Headmasters of The Hill School}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only 2 links, unnecessary, pretentious. Peapod21 (talk) 22:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Comments – why is it pretentious? There is :Category:School principals and headteachers. In any case it should be an upmerge to :Category:The Hill School faculty, not a delete. Oculi (talk) 22:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• Comment -- The faculty category is unexpectedly well populated for a secondary school. This makes me wonder if there may be more notable heads to populate this with. Certainly, merge rather than delete - upmerge to faulty and to :Category:School principals and headteachers. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 18:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1st century in Egypt to :Category:1st century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:2nd century in Egypt to :Category:2nd century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:3rd century in Egypt to :Category:3rd century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:4th century in Egypt to :Category:4th century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:5th century in Egypt to :Category:5th century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:6th century in Egypt to :Category:6th century in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:1st-century establishments in Egypt to :Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt to :Category:2nd-century establishments in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:3rd-century establishments in Egypt to :Category:3rd-century establishments in Roman Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:4th-century establishments in Egypt to :Category:4th-century establishments in Roman Egypt

:Nominator's rationale: merge as follow-up on this earlier discussion where a reverse merge was nominated. Assuming that nobody wants to keep the Egypt and Roman Egypt categories in parallel for these centuries, and since the previous nomination was opposed, this new nomination should normally be endorsed. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

: Pinging earlier discussants {{ping|Caeciliusinhorto|Peterkingiron|Greyshark09}}. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Reverse merge -- There is no essential difference between Hellenic (or Ptolemaic) Egypt, Roman Egypt and later Egypt. There was no non-Roman Egypt to require disambiguating. The core has been essentially intact for 5000 years, though the outer imperial boundaries have fluctuated between periods. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support per rationale of nom and the majority of those who participated in the previous discussion. It's now fairly well settled policy that we avoid ahistorical naming. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per the reasons listed by Laurel Lodged. Dimadick (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support - clearly reasonable. Maybe later we can also distinguish between Roman Egypt and Byzantine Egypt as well, since Christianized Coptic Byzantine Egypt was quite different than pagan Hellenic-Roman Egypt province.GreyShark (dibra) 13:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

::Probably a good idea. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:19, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT and precedents for JEL code categories.

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Urban, rural, regional, real estate, and transportation economics}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, hodgepodge of unrelated topics. This category clearly illustraties how JEL classification codes use completely different categorization principles than Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 14:14, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Pontifical Commissions to :Category:Pontifical commissions

:* Propose renaming :Category:Pontifical Councils to :Category:Pontifical councils

: Nominator's rationale: The terms pontifical commissions and pontifical councils are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized (in contrast to specific pontifical commissions and pontifical councils, e.g., Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity). This would bring the capitalization into line with the main article in each category. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 04:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support -- This matches where the main articles currently are. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 14:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Law of the Jungle (TV series) participants}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of performers by performance. This groups people who have been guests on the variety program Law of the Jungle; it's a non-defining characteristic. There is a long-standing precedence against these types of categories: User:Good Olfactory/CFD#Reality TV participants. ℯxplicit 00:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Note that this category has a whole lot of sibling categories that might be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge according to Option B. Although the support for option B in this discussion is marginal, it makes sense to close this consistently with other recent CFD closures. – Fayenatic London 21:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:525 BC in Egypt to :Category:525 BC in Africa and :Category:6th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:398 BC in Egypt to :Category:398 BC in Africa and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:380 BC in Egypt to :Category:380 BC in Africa and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:343 BC in Egypt to :Category:343 BC in Africa and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

{{cot|More categories nominated for merging}}

:* Propose merging :Category:305 BC in Egypt to :Category:305 BC in Africa and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:300s BC in Egypt to :Category:300s BC in Africa and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:30 BC in Egypt to :Category:30 BC in Africa and :Category:1st century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:122 establishments in Roman Egypt to :Category:122 establishments in Africa, :Category:120s establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:137 establishments in Egypt to :Category:137 establishments in Africa, :Category:130s establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:610s in Egypt to :Category:610s in Africa and :Category:7th century in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:620s in Egypt to :Category:620s in Africa and :Category:7th century in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:274 in France to :Category:274 in Europe, :Category:270s in the Roman Empire and :Category:3rd century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:298 in France to :Category:298 in Europe, :Category:290s in the Roman Empire and :Category:3rd century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:314 in France to :Category:314 in Europe, :Category:310s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:350 in France to :Category:350 in Europe, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:353 in France to :Category:353 in Europe, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:356 in France to :Category:356 in Europe, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:357 in France to :Category:357 in Europe, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:365 establishments in France to :Category:365 establishments in Europe, :Category:4th-century establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:378 in France to :Category:378 in Europe, :Category:370s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:394 in France to :Category:394 in Europe, :Category:390s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:435 in France to :Category:435 in Europe, :Category:430s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:436 in France to :Category:436 in Europe, :Category:430s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:441 in France to :Category:441 in Europe, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:442 in France to :Category:442 in Europe, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:443 in France to :Category:443 in Europe, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:445 establishments in France to :Category:445 establishments in Europe and :Category:5th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:451 in France to :Category:451 in Europe, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:452 in France to :Category:452 in Europe, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:458 in France to :Category:458 in Europe, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:461 in France to :Category:461 in Europe, :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:463 in France to :Category:463 in Europe, :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:469 in France to :Category:469 in Europe. :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:475 in France to :Category:475 in Europe, :Category:470s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:487 establishments in France to :Category:487 establishments in Europe and :Category:5th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:10s BC establishments in Germany to :Category:10s BC establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:1st-century BC establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:345 in India to :Category:345 in Asia and :Category:4th century in India

:* Propose merging :Category:345 establishments in India to :Category:345 establishments in Asia and :Category:4th-century establishments in India

:* Propose merging :Category:375 disestablishments in India to :Category:375 disestablishments in Asia and :Category:4th-century disestablishments in India

:* Propose merging :Category:426 establishments in the Maya civilization to :Category:426 establishments in North America and :Category:5th-century establishments in the Maya civilization

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:Nominator's rationale: merge to century categories per country per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories have only one article without a reasonable chance of expansion.

: Note 1: on the talk page there is a list of container categories that naturally become empty if this merge is accepted. Though they haven't been tagged, it would be helpful if they are deleted upon closing this discussion.

: Note 2: this is a continuation of the previous nomination of June 1. {{ping|Oculi|Tim!|Nyttend|Peterkingiron|J 1982|Neutrality|Inter&anthro}} pinging same editors as before, as you have participated in earlier discussions in the same field, feel free to comment on this new nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Upmerge per nom. Fragmentation of small categories such as :Category:4th-century disestablishments in India is a bad idea. Oculi (talk) 08:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support. However, we should consider putting the Egypt articles into Asia also; they're all related to the Ptolemaic Dynasty, which often controlled the southern parts of the Fertile Crescent. In the same way, if there are earlier categories, a future nomination should be careful, since the power of the Egyptian empire under certain kings of the New Kingdom, e.g. Thutmose III, was projected well to the north in the Fertile Crescent, so such categories might also have Asian items. Nyttend (talk) 11:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

:* There aren't any older year categories in Egypt than the ones nominated, afaics. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

:* Skipping the continent category layer altogether (as discussed below) would immediately solve this Egyptian issue as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom and well-established precedent - too many of these bitty categories.Le Deluge (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support generally but I am not sure the continental categories are useful and would merge direct to the year category. The Maya have good dating, but I think this is unique in America. Egypt has good dating, but that is probably unique in Africa. This also avoids the objection as to the need for an Asian target. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

:* It is indeed likely that won't even have enough content by continent by year to make a continent split. But let's first see how the country mergers turn out before turning to the next layer of categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

::*Personally I'm no great fan of continent categories, apart from eg (association) football, where continental confederations are the main unit of organisation. But continental categories imply a X by continent parent category, which even if you count 7 continents is pretty much a classic WP:SMALLCAT. Personally I'd nuke the continent layer before say 1500 and let the Egyptians and Maya mingle.Le Deluge (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

:::* Perhaps I've been too conservative in the nomination, as I don't have any specific objections against merging to global year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

{{cot|Option B: skip continents category layer (as discussed)}}

:* Propose merging :Category:525 BC in Egypt to :Category:525 BC and :Category:6th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:398 BC in Egypt to :Category:398 BC and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:380 BC in Egypt to :Category:380 BC and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:343 BC in Egypt to :Category:343 BC and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:305 BC in Egypt to :Category:305 BC and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:300s BC in Egypt to :Category:300s BC and :Category:4th century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:30 BC in Egypt to :Category:30 BC and :Category:1st century BC in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:122 establishments in Roman Egypt to :Category:122 establishments, :Category:120s establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:137 establishments in Egypt to :Category:137 establishments, :Category:130s establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:610s in Egypt to :Category:610s and :Category:7th century in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:620s in Egypt to :Category:620s and :Category:7th century in Egypt

:* Propose merging :Category:274 in France to :Category:274, :Category:270s in the Roman Empire and :Category:3rd century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:298 in France to :Category:298, :Category:290s in the Roman Empire and :Category:3rd century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:314 in France to :Category:314, :Category:310s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:350 in France to :Category:350, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:353 in France to :Category:353, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:356 in France to :Category:356, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:357 in France to :Category:357, :Category:350s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:365 establishments in France to :Category:365 establishments, :Category:4th-century establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:378 in France to :Category:378, :Category:370s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:394 in France to :Category:394, :Category:390s in the Roman Empire and :Category:4th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:435 in France to :Category:435, :Category:430s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:436 in France to :Category:436, :Category:430s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:441 in France to :Category:441, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:442 in France to :Category:442, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:443 in France to :Category:443, :Category:440s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:445 establishments in France to :Category:445 establishments and :Category:5th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:451 in France to :Category:451, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:452 in France to :Category:452, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:458 in France to :Category:458, :Category:450s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:461 in France to :Category:461, :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:463 in France to :Category:463, :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:469 in France to :Category:469. :Category:460s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:475 in France to :Category:475, :Category:470s in the Roman Empire and :Category:5th century in France

:* Propose merging :Category:487 establishments in France to :Category:487 establishments and :Category:5th-century establishments in France

:* Propose merging :Category:10s BC establishments in Germany to :Category:10s BC establishments in the Roman Empire and :Category:1st-century BC establishments in Germany

:* Propose merging :Category:345 in India to :Category:345 and :Category:4th century in India

:* Propose merging :Category:345 establishments in India to :Category:345 establishments and :Category:4th-century establishments in India

:* Propose merging :Category:375 disestablishments in India to :Category:375 disestablishments and :Category:4th-century disestablishments in India

:* Propose merging :Category:426 establishments in the Maya civilization to :Category:426 establishments and :Category:5th-century establishments in the Maya civilization

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• For reference, see also this next discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

• {{ping|Nyttend|Oculi}} As you've reacted here in an early stage, and haven't reacted yet in the follow-up discussion, could you please give your thoughts on option B? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support all (B) as a good first step. Let's see the shape of it thereafter. More upmerges may be necessary. 1500AD as a cut-off point is a tad too Euro-centric. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• Option A per nom: "But let's first see how the country mergers turn out before turning to the next layer of categorization." The present set-up is well-organised and coherent (but sparsely populated), and cfd can tend to leave a mess behind (by dismantling part of a category tree and moving on, leaving roots and branches disconnected). Oculi (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• No opinion about option B. Nyttend (talk) 11:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support -- In the long term I would prefer Option B, but would accept Option A as an interim measure. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
• (as nom) Option B, as the next discussion has now been closed in favor of option B, this discussion should be closed as option B as well, to keep it all aligned. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
• Note, I've slightly adapted the targets for the French and Egyptian categories in order to comply with the closure of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_1#Years_in_the_Rome_Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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