Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 21#Metropolitan boroughs

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== Category:Wikipedian feeling discouraged ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 17:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedian feeling discouraged to :Category:Wikipedians feeling discouraged

:Nominator's rationale: It needs renaming as it is a broad category, it should say 'Wikipedians feeling discouraged' as it is referring to multiple Wikipedians. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:34, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Support - it implies that it is plural so it should be Wikipedians. Per nom Inter&anthro (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Mito branch ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1#Category:Mito branch. ℯ xplicit 00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Mito branch to :Category:Mito-Tokugawa clan

:Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 水戸徳川氏, or Mito-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Mito-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - article is Mito branch. Oculi (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

:*Not any more, it isn't. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Support More accurate AND more descriptive. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Owari branch ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1#Category:Owari branch. ℯ xplicit 00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Owari branch to :Category:Owari-Tokugawa clan

:Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 尾張徳川氏, or Owari-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Owari-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - article is Owari branch. Oculi (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

:*Not any more, it isn't. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Support More accurate AND more descriptive. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Cheruthony Dam ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Cheruthony Dam}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT - No evident likelihood for meaningful population —swpb^{T go beyond} 13:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Delete - it's also misspelt: Cheruthoni Dam. Oculi (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
OK to go but not a spelling mistake. both spellings are used [https://idukki.gov.in/departments/taxes/], [https://idukki.gov.in/public-utility-category/common-services-centers-csc/page/3/] -- Ranjithsiji (talk) 08:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Delete -- The article (whichever spelling is preferred) is adequately categorised. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Delete - per WP:SMALLCAT, will only ever have one entry. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1#Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania. ℯ xplicit 00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania to :Category:People from Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

:Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - just added another article to the category. There is certainly room for this category to grow so WP:SMALLCAT does not apply. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Basketball at the European Youth Olympic Days ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1#Category:Basketball at the European Youth Olympic Days. ℯ xplicit 00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Basketball at the European Youth Olympic Days}}

:Nominator's rationale: Merge into :Category:Basketball at the European Youth Summer Olympic Festival Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment if I understand correctly, European Youth Olympic Days was the old name of the event and European Youth Summer Olympic Festival is the new name. {{ping|Pelmeen10}} as the nominator you should provide a clear rationale for your proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

::Sorry. But you're correct. European Youth Olympic Days are now called European Youth Olympic Festival. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Guam renames ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename most, others can be nominated separately immediately if needs be. Most of these are straightforward and the handful of exceptions are best handled without distraction. Timrollpickering 21:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming Several "Guam [x]" categories to "Guamanian [x]" categories:

:Category:Guam Christians to :Category:Guamanian Christians

:Nominator's rationale: Proper demonym. See also :Category:Guamanian people stubs, :Category:Guamanian sport by year, :Category:Guamanian sport stubs, and :Category:Guamanian sportspeople stubs. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Support as per correct use of demonym. Number 5 7 08:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Support - correct according to [https://www.states101.com/articles/demonyms United States Government Publishing Office (U.S. GPO)]. Oculi (talk) 10:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Support - per nom and above. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Partial support – This is an appropriate change for most, but not all, of these categories. For the X international footballers categories, it is correct to use the name of the country, rather than the demonym; we're naming the national team they represented, not describing their nationality. At a quick glance, I think there are also a few "Guam topics" as opposed to "Guamanian people" categories that have been swept up in this long list and may need further consideration. Jellyman (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Partial support. I was just coming over here to propose the same group of categories myself, but some should not be renamed. These include:
{{cl|Guam football team navigational boxes}}
:Category:Guam football managers
:Category:Guam football team navigational boxes
:Category:Guam international footballers (all four relate to the Guam national team)
:Category:Guam football navigational boxes (per all other by country football categories)
{{cl|Guam caucuses}}
:Category:Guam elections by year
:Category:Guam elections, 1998
:Category:Guam elections, 2002
:Category:Guam elections, 2004
:Category:Guam elections, 2006
:Category:Guam elections, 2008
:Category:Guam elections, 2010
:Category:Guam elections, 2012
:Category:Guam elections, 2014
:Category:Guam elections, 2016
:Category:Guam elections, 2018 (all per equivalent state categories)
Grutness...wha? 03:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Mayors of Gowrie, Iowa ==

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mayors of Gowrie, Iowa to :Category:People from Webster County, Iowa

:Nominator's rationale: Small community with just one entry and category is unlikely to be expanded. Mayors of towns with an approximate population of 1,000 are rarely notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Full upmerge is needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Upmerge, but not just as nominated; page also needs to be upped to {{cl|Mayors of places in Iowa}}. Bearcat (talk) 19:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Sugar substitutes ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{Relisted}} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1#Category:Sugar substitutes. ℯ xplicit 00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Sugar substitutes to :Category:Sugar substitutes and :Category:Sweeteners

:Nominator's rationale: There is a fundamental problem here. The article on sugar substitutes uses that name even though many sweeteners are high in sugar and thus are replacing just "table sugar", while others are 0 calorie sweeteners or very low in sugar and some are naturally occurring while others are artificial. Syrup is not even mentioned in the main article, but yet it is a sweetener. Bod (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Oppose for now, Sweeteners is a redirect to Sugar substitutes. If there is a need for a fix it should be implemented in article space first. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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== Metropolitan boroughs ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename using "Metropolitan Borough of", see full list at end of discussion. – Fayenatic London 10:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Knowsley to :Category:Knowsley Borough (and tagged sub categories)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sefton to :Category:Sefton Borough (and tagged sub categories)

:Nominator's rationale: Both the articles are at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. There is no evidence that the categories are also for the village (they aren't in the vilage category). Both Knowsley and Sefton have other meanings outside Merseyside and there is also a [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000004903 ward]. The categores might be eligible for speedy renaming however we appear to generally use "Foo Borough" for categories, see :Category:Metropolitan boroughs, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 30#Greater Manchester Metropolitan Boroughs, however this isn't the case for the corresponding Common categories. {{user|Mhockey}} has also created some like :Category:Barnsley Borough. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment - usual rule is to follow the articles, ie Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. I agree that there should be a rename. Oculi (talk) 10:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
:Is it worth considering renaming the others then? The reason was apparently because they are easier to add with hotcat. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
::There was an earlier cfd for London which simply used the article names: Sept 2008. Oculi (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
:::So the use of "Borough" for MBs appears to be local and should be changed to be consistent with the others. I now support using "Metropolitan Borough of...". Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
~~Oppose~~ -- In theory there is a conflict with the village of Knowsley, Merseyside, but it already comes under this category as a grandchild, so that the conflict is an imagined one, not a real one. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:Except that there is a Knowsley in Australia, [http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000004903 Lancashire] and [http://www.geonames.org/988710/knowsley.html South Africa]. What I would say is that Knowsley, Merseyside should be moved to Knowsley per WP:DABCONCEPT but until then we should by default DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Alternate Renames to :Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and :Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton to match the main articles, Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton respectively. I'm not wild about those names but the category space should match the main articles to make navigation easier for readers. (If and when a move nomination of those articles is proposed and passes, no objection to speedy renaming per WP:C2D.) 03:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC) RevelationDirect (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
:It wouldn't be able to go through C2D because it would be ambiguous and because of this discussion, in addition because the wider district article would still be at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 00:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Alternate Renames to :Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and :Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton to match the main articles, Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton respectively. I'm not sure what the problem is as we have dozens of similar names (after cfd in 2008) such as :Category:Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. Oculi (talk) 09:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Support Occuli's alternative. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Admin comment: {{ping|Crouch, Swale}} please list the sub-categories that have been tagged. The closing admin is not expected to trace the nominated categories. It will now be helpful if you would compile a list in the format
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*:Category:Foo in Knowsley to :Category:Foo in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley 
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as that format seems to have obtained consensus. – Fayenatic London 09:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:Category:Knowsley to :Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Buildings and structures in Knowsley to :Category:Buildings and structures in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Railway stations in Knowsley to :Category:Railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Disused railway stations in Knowsley to :Category:Disused railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Schools in Knowsley to :Category:Schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Academies in Knowsley to :Category:Academies in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Community schools in Knowsley to :Category:Community schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Defunct schools in Knowsley to :Category:Defunct schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Secondary schools in Knowsley to :Category:Secondary schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Education in Knowsley to :Category:Education in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Local government in Knowsley to :Category:Local government in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Council elections in Knowsley to :Category:Council elections in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Politics of Knowsley to :Category:Politics of the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
::Category:Towns and villages in Knowsley to :Category:Towns and villages in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley

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