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== Category:Telecommunications regulatory authorities ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Not merged. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:23, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Telecommunications regulatory authorities to :Category:Communications authorities

:Nominator's rationale: Most of the authorities regulate both telecomms and other sorts of communication. Rathfelder (talk) 19:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose, nominator's rationale is contradicted by most articles that are currently in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Marcocapelle, and 'cos this would remove them from :Category:Telecommunications organizations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose The nominator's assertion that most of the authorities in the category regulate both telecomms and other sorts of communication is not true. Shyamsunder (talk) 12:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Weather beacons ==

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 26#Category:Weather_beacons. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Weather beacons}}

:Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category (apart from the eponymous article* which may need to be upmerged) are articles about corporations, buildings, TV channels etc for which having a weather beacon (for a period) is non-defining - the articles (e.g. Näsinneula) don't generally mention the weather beacon in the lede. Note: the article  contains a list. DexDor (talk) 12:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

::and Weather Machine. DexDor (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

::Many of the articles in the category aren't about buildings. DexDor (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Filozoa ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Filozoa to :Category:Holozoa

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer. See previous disussions e.g. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_10#Category:Eumetazoa. DexDor (talk) 12:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. Oculi (talk) 15:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Years and decades in Castile ==

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 26#Years_and_decades_in_Castile. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:1127 in Castile to :Category:1127 in Europe and :Category:12th century in Castile

:* Propose merging :Category:1158 in Castile to :Category:1158 in Europe and :Category:12th century in Castile

:* Propose merging :Category:1170 in Castile to :Category:1170 in Europe and :Category:12th century in Castile

:* Propose merging :Category:1179 in Castile to :Category:1179 in Europe and :Category:12th century in Castile

:* Propose merging :Category:1244 in Castile to :Category:1244 in Europe and :Category:13th century in Castile

: The full list of nominated categories can be found in this section.

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just one article per category. This is follow-up on a previous nomination that was supported in principle but considered to be too broad so that country specific details could not be discussed. So here is a first separate country nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Support but limited to Castile, but at this stage merge to decade in Iberia (covering Portugal, Castile, Aragon and a few other states) and see what that looks like, rather than straight to a Europe category. We can then see what that looks like before merging further. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

:* Presumably you are then okay with merging to years in Europe? Creating an entirely new category tree for decades in Iberia is quite a different issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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==1st-millennium (dis)establishments in North America==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: merge/delete as a natural follow up on this earlier discussion in which the European and Asian categories were merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Support Another mass of minuscule categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per precedent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Freestyle Motocross ==

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:The result of the discussion was: moved as proposed. Bearcat (talk) 00:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

: Propose renaming:

:* :Category:Freestyle Motocross to :Category:Freestyle motocross

:* :Category:Freestyle Motocross riders to :Category:Freestyle motocross riders

:Nominator's rationale: capitalisation fix.
both categories were tagged for speedy renaming by an anon IP, but were not listed at WP:CFDS. They would have been ineligible for a speedy rename WP:C2D because the head article was moved[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freestyle_motocross&diff=824321916&oldid=821230429] from "Freestyle Motocross" on 6 February 2018‎ without discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Agree: per nomination. ww2censor (talk) 17:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Holiday-related topics ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Holidays. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Holiday-related topics}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unneeded. Subcats and articles should be placed directly in :Category:Holidays or appropriate subcategories Editor2020 (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Modes of production ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Modes of production to :Category:Production and manufacturing

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge to the parent category, the articles in this category are unrelated to the article Mode of production and it is unsure how else we should define the inclusion criteria for this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted from CFD 2018 February 10 to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}

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  • Keep. The category itself is fine. But i agree that some (if not most) of the articles in it should be moved to the parent directory (and some new articles should be added).Linhart (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

:* Which articles would you want to keep in the category? I see just one mode of production mentioned in Mode of production that has its own article: Capitalist mode of production (Marxist theory). Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

::* Capitalist production, Craft production, mass production... Maybe Manufacturing should also be added, while some other modes still need articles to be created (ancient production, feudal production, socialist etc). If category is not big, that is not a reason to delete it.Linhart (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

:::* Er, the point of the nomination is that articles like Craft production and Mass production have nothing to do with the topic Modes of production in Marxist theory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

::::*That's not necessary true. First, "mass production" as a base of mass society is a common topic in modern social sciences, also marxist, especially in consumerism critique, second, "mode of production" has since become an established scientific term not limited only to marxism but also to other social and political theories.Linhart (talk) 09:08, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:::::* That would suggest that the article needs to be entirely rewritten. I'm not against recreation of the category if the rewriting succeeds. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Religious holidays ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:18, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Religious holidays to :Category:Religious holy days :Category:Religious observances changed after discussion below

:* Propose renaming :Category:Buddhist holidays to :Category:Buddhist holy days :Category:Buddhist observances changed after discussion below

:Nominator's rationale: rename to align with most subcategories by religion, e.g. :Category:Christian festivals and holy days, :Category:Hindu holy days, :Category:Jewish holy days. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Oppose. The word holy is a concept not used much in Buddhist scholarship. Propose Buddhist observance days instead.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 11:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep – per the top-level articles, which use holiday. And holiday, and :Category:Holidays. It's the Holy days which should be changed per almost all the usual conventions (or moved to another tree). Oculi (talk) 14:42, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

:: {{tq|usual conventions}} Please explain.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

  • (as nom) Observance sounds like a reasonable alternative, not just for Buddhism but for all religions, and surely better than holidays which imply days off from work or school which this is not about. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:05, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

:* So these should not be in :Category:Holidays. It's much easier to argue the other way round as we have Islamic holidays but :Category:Islamic holy days. And Jewish holidays but :Category:Jewish holy days. Oculi (talk) 15:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

:* There is also the article Buddhist holidays and not Buddhist holy days or Buddhist observances. All the suggested renames are contrary to the usual default rules of category names: follow the main article or the parent category. There is nothing wrong with the present set up that couldn't easily be fixed by speedy renames of the 'holy day' categories (holy day is a redirect to holiday). Oculi (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

::* :Category:Buddhist holidays contains Buddhist festivals and observances regardless of whether they are (also) a holiday in any of the Buddhist countries, and for category content this seems perfectly fine. The article Buddhist holidays is apparently not the proper main article of this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

:::* You are using your own definition of holiday rather than the one given at length in holiday. If you seek to change the scope of the categories you need to start with renaming the articles. Categories follow from articles. Oculi (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

::::* There is also a list at List of Buddhist festivals.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted from CFD 2018 February 10 to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}

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== Category:Ukrainian medical doctors ==

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 26#Category:Ukrainian_medical_doctors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Ukrainian medical doctors to :Category:Ukrainian physicians

:Nominator's rationale: To align with the subcategories :Category:Ukrainian women physicians, :Category:Ukrainian physicians by century and :Category:20th-century Ukrainian physicians (and Wikipedia Commons). While "medical doctors" is the term used in many English-speaking and British or ex-British countries, this does not apply to the Ukraine. Hugo999 (talk) 00:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

::The vast majority of :Category:Physicians by nationality are physicians. We should be consistent unless there is good reason not to be, otherwise we are giving the impression that physicians and medical doctors are in some way to be distinguished from each other. Rathfelder (talk) 14:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

{{cot|earlier discussion at CFD/S}}

::* Oppose – this was a cfd decision as Hugo999 might recall, so it needs a cfd. Oculi (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

:* Comment Will move to full discussion; as I recall the earlier "medical doctors" versus "physicians" was about retaining "medical doctors" categories for British and ex-British countries but that hardly applies to the Ukraine. Hugo999 (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

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  • Oppose. "Medical doctors" is more known term in post-Soviet states than "physicians". 91.124.81.152 (talk) 16:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • :[citation needed]. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:18, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose -- This is applying an American definition of "physician" to other parts of the world, where Physician is a hospital speciality, not a general practitioner. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • :Physician is a much older term than medical doctor, and we have built an enormous category tree on it. We cant use the term doctor because it is ambiguous. Neither "Medical doctors" nor "physician" is a Ukrainian word. Rathfelder (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment. "Physicians" is the parent category. A number of countries use "Medical Doctor" rather than "Physician" as the local usage (as previously decided) but none in continental Europe apart from Gibraltar or in ex-Soviet Central Asia (the "stans"). Neighbours of Ukraine all use "Physician"; Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania & Russia. PS: A few countries not ex-British use Medical Doctors not Physicians: the Dominican Republic, Iceland, Panama and Saudi Arabia. Hugo999 (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, Physician is the main article and I have seen no evidence so far that former Soviet states clearly prefer British English over American English. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support to match :Category:Physicians, per Marcocapelle. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:18, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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