Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 17#Category:Harzer Wandernadel

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: manually merge all. Pinging the nominator {{ping|Marcocapelle|p=}}, who offered to perform the manual merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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:Nominator's rationale: manually merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly only one article or one subcategory in a category. Note that from a practical perspective by far most of these categories can plainly be deleted because the content is already somewhere else in the tree of both merge targets, for example in :Category:1009 in Europe and :Category:11th-century papal bulls. However this has to be checked manually. If desired I will volunteer to sort this out. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support -- Nevertheless, I would be unhappy if you started merging separate articles on Christian and Islamic matters together into religion, which ought primarily to be a container. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

:* That will certainly not happen because all centuries in religion categories mentioned above are diffused into Christianity and Islam. That is exactly the reason why a manual merge is needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: delete. While I acknowledge that the category has a well-defined scope, the arguments to delete are more convincing (per WP:NONDEF) and supported by precedent. The discussion below did not establish, and nor could I by sampling the category, that this meets the threshold of a "defining characteristic" as described at WP:NONDEF. While most articles do mention that the subject is a checkpoint on the Harzer Wandernadel, that fact is usually presented as incidental to whatever else the subject is primarily. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 21:28, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Harzer Wandernadel}}

:Nominator's rationale: The text of this category says it is for locations on the trails network and the category contains castles, dams, villages etc (e.g. Bode Gorge) for which being on a hiking trail is non-defining. A list of places on the trail might be appropriate (and could list places in order).  Example of previous similar CFD: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_7#Category:Places_on_the_Road_of_St_James. The following articles may need to be upmerged to :Category:Hiking trails in Germany: Harzer Wandernadel, Harzer Hexenstieg, Goethe Way DexDor ^(talk) 21:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. This is not a random list of places on a hiking trail network (which I agree would be "non-defining"); it is a defined and published set of exactly 222 checkpoints that hikers have to visit in order to achieve the top hiking award in the Harz Mountains. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NONDEF. Being a landmarks on a trail is not a defining characteristic of these castles, dams, villages etc. They are already listed at Harzer Wandernadel. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete We have habitually not allowed "places on roads/paths" categories. They represent the same kind of category clutter, which means that we do not usually allow performance and venue categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• :Comment We need to understand the difference here. Of course, listing random objects on a path is pointless, I agree. But that's not what this is. It's a set of 222 geographical and historical landmarks selected by the authorities to promote the Harz Mountains. And they're not on a road or path; they're a finite set of places with a specific status like :Category:World Heritage Sites in Denmark. No doubt the latter are all on roads, but that's not the point! --Bermicourt (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
• ::You are ignoring the main point here - for things like the Brocken mountain that it's on this trail is very non-defining - that's fine for a list, but not for a category (partly because categorization like that could put some articles in hundreds of categories). Another way to look at this is that if there was an article about Brocken House (the location on the mountain where the checkpoint is) you'd probably want to move the category tag to that article - i.e. you're attempting to use category tags to create a list rather than to categorize articles. Regarding categories for WHS sites etc - that's WP:OSE and as it happens I think many such categories (grouping together churches, glaciers etc) should be deleted - another example previous CFD. DexDor ^(talk) 21:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
• :::I understand the main point clearly: "being on a hiking trail is non-defining". There are two issues with that: first, the Harzer Wandernadel is not a trail, and, second, "X is non-defining" is simply a point of view; it needs substantiating. To be fair, I'm suspect that's possible, but will leave that to others. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
• ::::1. The category text says "Qualifying locations on the Harzer Wandernadel hiking trail network ...". 2. Have you read WP:NONDEF? DexDor ^(talk) 15:12, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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:The result of the discussion was: rename all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Female geologists to :Category:Women geologists

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:* :Category:American female geologists to :Category:American women geologists

:* :Category:Australian female geologists to :Category:Australian women geologists

:* :Category:Brazilian female geologists to :Category:Brazilian women geologists

:* :Category:British female geologists to :Category:British women geologists

:* :Category:Bulgarian female geologists to :Category:Bulgarian women geologists

:* :Category:Burmese female geologists to :Category:Burmese women geologists

:* :Category:Canadian female geologists to :Category:Canadian women geologists

:* :Category:Chinese female geologists to :Category:Chinese women geologists

:* :Category:Danish female geologists to :Category:Danish women geologists

:* :Category:English female geologists to :Category:English women geologists

:* :Category:French female geologists to :Category:French women geologists

:* :Category:German female geologists to :Category:German women geologists

:* :Category:Indian female geologists to :Category:Indian women geologists

:* :Category:Irish female geologists to :Category:Irish women geologists

:* :Category:Israeli female geologists to :Category:Israeli women geologists

:* :Category:Italian female geologists to :Category:Italian women geologists

:* :Category:Nigerian female geologists to :Category:Nigerian women geologists

:* :Category:Polish female geologists to :Category:Polish women geologists

:* :Category:Romanian female geologists to :Category:Romanian women geologists

:* :Category:Russian female geologists to :Category:Russian women geologists

:* :Category:Scottish female geologists to :Category:Scottish women geologists

:* :Category:South African female geologists to :Category:South African women geologists

:* :Category:Swedish female geologists to :Category:Swedish women geologists

:* :Category:Vietnamese female geologists to :Category:Vietnamese women geologists

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:Nominator's rationale: Per Women in geology, :Category:Women earth scientists, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 6. Will also involve renaming all the subcategories. Courcelles (talk) 21:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• Rename per nom To match parent category :Category:Women earth scientists. Dimadick (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Procedural comment. If the intention is also to rename the subcats, they should be tagged and listed. I suggest that the best way to proceed is to relist this discussion on today's CfD, and add the subcats. I would be happy to do both if that's OK with @Courcelles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

:*Oh, I'm sorry, it's been years since I've been active with CFD and I just plain forgot. Yeah, if you're willing, feel free, the subcats need to be renamed as well. Courcelles (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support – per nom, to match parent category :Category:Women earth scientists. Oculi (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|White Alumni of South Africa}}

:Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. —swpb^{T go beyond} 15:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete – countries don't have alumni. Oculi (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per Oculi....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. Vague. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete -- The one article is already in University of South Africa alumni, which may be what the creator was trying to get at. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete "White alumni" is obvious racial segregation. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fantastic film festivals to :Category:Fantasy film festivals

:Nominator's rationale: I think this is about the genre of fantasy, rather than films which are unbelievably good. It also needs parent cat(s) which tie it into fantasy categories. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support to avoid it attracting films where fantastic is used as a superlative. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison partners}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Possibly keep, it seems to be a sufficiently defining characteristic in this case. If the parent category is deleted (see below) and this category is kept, it may be parented to :Category:People by company in the United States directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people. One category per firm is ample. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Upmerge per Peterkingiron and Oculi. There are certainly enough notable people associated with this firm to justify one category for them, but it's far from clear that we would need to use the category system to segregate the partners from the associates. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison associates}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support, while in general we allow people by company categories, it does not seem a defining characteristic in this particular case. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people. One category per firm is ample. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Upmerge per Peterkingiron and Oculi. There are certainly enough notable people associated with this firm to justify one category for them, but it's far from clear that we would need to use the category system to segregate the partners from the associates. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|People associated with Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete, blatantly violates WP:OCASSOC. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 01:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:OCASSOC....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people. I checked one of the articles, which was for a man who had been counsel to a preceding firm. We categorise alumni of renamed or merged colleges as if the person attended its successor. The same principle should apply here. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support, if kept it should be renamed to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people but it does not seem to be a defining characteristic of these people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Rename per Marcocapelle and merge in subcats. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Arnold & Porter partners}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Possibly keep, it seems to be a sufficiently defining characteristic in this case. If the parent category is deleted (see below) and this category is kept, it may be parented to :Category:People by company in the United States directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Arnold & Porter people. One category per firm is ample. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Arnold & Porter people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Arnold & Porter associates}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support, while in general we allow people by company categories, it does not seem a defining characteristic in this particular case. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Arnold & Porter people. One category per firm is ample. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Arnold & Porter people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Arnold & Porter}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support by lack of content. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete -- The main article can be main article for :Category:Arnold & Porter people. One category per firm is ample. Not sure how to handle the law case. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Merge – to :Category:Arnold & Porter people per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Arnold & Porter people}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the :Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization ^Talk 04:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support, while in general we allow people by company categories, it does not seem a defining characteristic in this particular case. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Keep this and merge all the related categories into it. The article on the firm will make a good main article; not sure what to do about the law case. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Keep – per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to recreation if and when there is an article on a 3rd season. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|The Good Place}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too little content. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Soft delete, no objection to recreation if and when the third season premieres. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Terms claimed to be racist despite non-racist origins}}

:Nominator's rationale: Malformed category. This cat is not NPOV. It is a statement that makes a judgement without consensus, and the creator of the cat has added it to pages that do not fit the definition of this POV statement. Same user added this cat to racial slur pages a few months ago. It was promptly and rightfully removed. The cat should have been deleted then. As it sat around, now the user is attempting to add it again. Delete and salt. CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 02:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete The origin of a term may have nothing to do with the context of specific uses. Dimadick (talk) 07:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. We base categories on what things are, not on what some people incorrectly think they might be. This category could end up being a grab-bag of unconnected words and phrases ranging from "denigration" through to "hoary" by way of "krautrock". Grutness...wha? 14:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Retain The nominator said that I "added this cat to racial slur pages". Of course I added it to pages that are seen as racial slurs. That is exactly what the category purports to include. Such terms as Tarbaby have origins that were clearly not racist, as seen in Espinosa's article "A new classification of the fundamental elements of the tar-baby story on the basis of two hundred and sixty-seven versions" in Journal of American Folklore. "Niggardly", a term from another article marked for this category, has a long Germanic origin meaning "stingy", cf. Swedish nygg. The word has now become controversial, but it has an etymology that is free of racial tinge. The category should be retained. There may be disputes about whether certain articles should be marked as belonging to the category, but the category is solidly legitimate. As a sociolinguist, I find it useful to find lists of words that have changed connotations, such as those in this category. Pete unseth (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• That would make it a plausible subject for a well-referenced list. Not for a category. Grutness...wha? 23:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete – not a suitable basis for a category. Oculi (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• delete as I just cannot see how this is 3ever going to rise above its obvious POV issues. Mangoe (talk) 17:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete I think it's pretty obvious that this has to go. JDDJS (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-defining, and a WP:SMALLCAT with just two entries. No objection to a list, if it can be properly sourced, but it's not an appropriate basis for a category. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 1#Category:Chronicles_regarding_Lithuania. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:56, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Chronicles regarding Lithuania to :Category:Lithuanian chronicles

:Nominator's rationale: Every other subcategory of :Category:Chronicles has this formatting. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Rename per nom This should follow the format of other Chronicles. Dimadick (talk) 07:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment. That completely changes the scope of the category. It would not be a simple renaming. The category now has chronicles that talk about Lithuania, but are not Lithuanian. Renata (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Rename per nom and purge the Russian and Livonian articles which contain little information regarding Lithuania anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Potential keep -- The content is more wide-ranging than would fit in the target. Some are clearly in Latin, so that this does not concern the language. If renamed, it would have to be purged, which may be destructive. Perhaps some of the siblings need moving to this format. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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