Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 12

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:The result of the discussion was: procedural close, category no longer exists (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Articles with improper non-free content (lists)}}

:Nominator's rationale: The template that formerly placed articles into this category was deleted by this TfD in June 2017. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Deleted; this is a case of G8. If you visit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown&action=edit (non-admins can't edit this page, but you can still see it), you'll see a category deletion option that covers this situation. Nyttend (talk) 23:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Bearcat (talk) 01:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Films scored by Aadesh Shrivastav to :Category:Films scored by Aadesh Shrivastava

:Nominator's rationale: The composer's name is 'Aadesh Shrivastava'. Tijd-jp (talk) 14:04, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Speedy C2A. Grutness...wha? 23:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Bearcat (talk) 01:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

:Propose renaming:

:* :Category:Acquisitions by year to :Category:Mergers and acquisitions by year

:* :Category:1992 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1992 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1993 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1993 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1994 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1994 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1995 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1995 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1996 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1996 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1997 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1997 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1998 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1998 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:1999 acquisitions‎ to :Category:1999 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2000 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2000 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2001 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2001 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2002 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2002 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2003 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2003 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2004 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2004 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2005 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2005 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2006 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2006 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2007 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2007 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2008 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2008 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2009 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2009 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2010 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2010 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2011 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2011 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2012 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2012 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2013 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2013 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2014 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2014 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2015 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2015 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2016 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2016 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2017 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2017 mergers and acquisitions

:* :Category:2018 acquisitions‎ to :Category:2018 mergers and acquisitions

:Nominator's rationale: The head article mergers and acquisitions treats both types of corporate combinations together, noting that the distinction between a merger and an acquisition is often more legal than commercial, and notes that commercially {{tq|both types of transactions generally result in the consolidation of assets and liabilities under one entity, and the distinction between a "merger" and an "acquisition" is less clear}}.

:The distinction between a merger and an acquisition is too fuzzy to support separate categories, so we should use the more inclusive form. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support -- There might be a case for splitting agreed and contested takeover bids, but some start off as contested and end off as agreed. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete by merging to :Category:Operas set in Europe, because at the time of closure it only contains sub-categories and those are not directly in that parent. – Fayenatic London 06:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Operas set in Scandinavia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Pointless intermediate category. All constituents are other categories and no relevant article would not fit into one or other of these categories Smerus (talk) 09:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Part of a series under :Category:Operas by region of setting; no reason given for singling out Scandinavia. Deletion would also reove the operas from :Category:Scandinavian culture, and no reason is given for that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:28, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - 'Operas set in Scandinavia' are not necessarily part of 'Scandinavian Culture' - e.g. Ambroise Thomas's opera 'Hamlet', or Faccio's 'Amleto'. No other country or region XXX with :Category:Operas set in XXX has as a parent :Category:XXXian culture. :Category:Scandinavian culture is therefore not a valid parent category for the category under discussion, and I have removed it - what would be needed is the (so-far non-existent) :Category:Scandinavia in fiction. As regards the other 'regions', there are two relevant ones; :Category:Operas set in Iberia, which is presently up for deletion, and :Category:Operas set in the Low Countries which soon will be; and all for the same reason; they are arbitrary groupings (as regards the concept of opera) all of which are simply and only the parents of :Category:Operas set in XXX, their constitutent countries --Smerus (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• {{re|Smerus}} if you want to delete them all, for the same reason, then nominate them all together. Per WP:MULTI, it's disruptive to have the same discussion in several places.
  The "Foo in fiction" cats are all subcats of "Fooian culture", and non-existence so far of the intermediate categs is no reason to disconnect this cat from :Category:Scandinavian culture. So I will revert your removal.
  Substantively, I still await a meaningful argument for deletion. We have :Category:Scandinavian architecture, :Category:Scandinavian folklore, :Category:Scandinavian studies etc ... so why not opera? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - delete also removes them from :Category:Operas set in Europe. We also have :Category:Films set in Scandinavia. I don't offhand see what the problem is with grouping these subcats together. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support idea, as a trivial intersection, and it does not add anything to the regular country structure because there aren't any overarching articles about operas set in Scandinavia. But it should become merge to :Category:Operas set in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support. All articles are in subcategories, one of which (Finland) isn't even in Scandinavia. Adds an unnecessary layer to the tree - the categories should feed directly into the {{cl|Operas set in Europe}} parent. The films category isn't really an exact parallel, since films are often vague about their exact locale or move between locales (hence several films in that category are not in country-specific categories); opera are predominantly set in one specified place. Grutness...wha? 00:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. In most cases, it seems like stories/accounts/operas/etc. about vikings are set either in the location that they're raiding (so they're not set in Scandinavia) or take place in a defined original location (so you can specify which country). Stories about non-viking Norsemen are often set in a specific location (and if there's no location, how do you know they're in Scandinavia, rather than Iceland, the Danelaw, etc.), as are stories of post-viking generations. The only Scandinavian-but-no-country situation I can imagine coming up is the nomadic Lapps whose wanderings historically crossed boundaries all the time, but how often do you hear of operas set among the Lapps? Nyttend (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
• Delete - Already covered in parent category of Europe. Lorstaking (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
• Comment -- We have recently had a discussion about Iberia, which looks as if it will be closed as "split". Merging everything to Europe should NOT be acceptable as that will apply to probably 90% of them. Hamlet is about a fictional Denmark, but there is also one about the assassination of a Swedish king, alternatively (due to censorship) a governor of Boston. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
• to be accurate, we are still having at the time of writing a discussion about Category:Operas in Iberia, which is by no means split - every contribution so far is in favour of merger or deletion. So if we are to use that discussion as as indicator it rather suggests this category can go as well. Operas about Swedish and Danish kings can of course be appropriately categorized under :Category:Operas set in Sweden or :Category:Operas set in Denmark. They are set specifically in those places, not in 'Scandinavia'. --Smerus (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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