Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 4

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:The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename per WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:41, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Leather Industry to :Category:Leather industry

:Nominator's rationale: Change to sentence case per MOS:CAPS. DferDaisy (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Speedy rename. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Directorial debut films}}

:Nominator's rationale: Every director has a first film. I think this list is over-cluttered because of that. --Kailash29792 (talk) 15:54, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Per the reasons brought up when this category was previously nominated for deletion. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:35, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per Lugnuts. Dimadick (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: Alright, would it be better to convert this into a container category? The sub-categories could be on the basis of country. ----Kailash29792 (talk) 04:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Arts in Carniola to :Category:Carniolan culture

:* Propose merging :Category:Carniolan literature to :Category:Carniolan culture

:* Propose merging :Category:Carniolan books to :Category:Carniolan culture

:* Propose merging :Category:Works by Carniolan people to :Category:Carniolan culture

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the above four categories contain, together, only three articles and one sub:Category:Carniolan writers. There is no need for such a narrow diffusion within a former polity that was de facto nothing more than a small province of the Habsburg Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support all per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge up to 17th century, no consensus for 1700s onwards. – Fayenatic London 12:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:1044 establishments in Ukraine to :Category:1044 establishments in Europe and :Category:11th-century establishments in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:1460 establishments in Ukraine to :Category:1460 establishments in Europe and :Category:15th-century establishments in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:1640s in Ukraine‎ to :Category:1640s in Europe and :Category:17th century in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:1648 establishments in Ukraine to :Category:1648 establishments in Europe and :Category:17th-century establishments in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:1650s in Ukraine to :Category:1650s in Europe and :Category:17th century in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:1700s in Ukraine‎ to :Category:1700s in Europe and :Category:18th century in Ukraine

: The full list of nominated categories can be found here.

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just one article per category. This is follow-up on a previous nomination that was supported in principle but considered to be too broad so that country specific details could not be discussed. So here is another separate nomination by country.

: All Ukrainian categories nominated here have anachronism issues. Related to this, in the previous discussion a reference was made to this other discussion about Ukraine which still hasn't been closed. I would suggest to proceed with this merge anyway, because it will be much easier to discuss the anachronisms after the merging: way fewer categories need to be nominated for a fresh discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:22, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. This overlaps with the issues discussed in the still unclosed CFD 2017 December 24#Years_in_Ukraine/Yekaterinoslav_Governorate. It would be better to wait until that is resolved, or at least closed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:* The two discussions are not really related, because the other discussion is about after which polity the category should be named, while here it is about upmerging regardless the name of the polity. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

::*I agree with BrownHairedGirl on this - wait for now.GreyShark (dibra) 13:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

:::* That other discussion has been closed. Though I still do not see how it would impact this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

::::*{{ping|BrownHairedGirl|Greyshark09}} what do you say now? – Fayenatic London 07:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

:::::That the consensus is to build up a new tree for Yekaterinoslav Governorate, but some users deleted the categories in contrary with the closure. There was no Ukraine, until there was Ukraine in 1991 (doubtful we can build year-trees for short-living UPR, WUPR and 1941 Ukraine under Nazi occupation - each living for about a year).GreyShark (dibra) 13:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

:::::*{{yo|Fayenatic london}} I say it's a hideous mess and I have no idea what to do. I have struck my !vote. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose for 1700s, support for years/decades before 1600. {{cat|1700s in Ukraine}}, {{cat|1710s in Ukraine}}, {{cat|1720s in Ukraine}} are part of the good-structurized {{cat|18th century in Ukraine}}. And maybe split {{cat|17th century in Ukraine}} by decades also (46 entries in it as of now). 91.124.117.29 (talk) 01:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support all as proposed. The CFD mentioned above has now closed so this can proceed: {{Ping|Greyshark09|BrownHairedGirl|Marcocapelle}} The conclusion was "Keep" leaving the contents as orphans. My only caveat is that some should also be categorised into the Austro-Hungarian Empire / Austrian Empire / HRE as appropriate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: For the record, the previous CFD was closed as "keep and build out" :Category:1907 establishments in Yekaterinoslav Governorate. However, it was emptied by an anon editor, and deleted this week as empty. For the record, three different Ukraininan IP addresses edited Motor Sich and Ukrainian Science Society within a few minutes on 16 April, placing them into :Category:1907 establishments in Ukraine (which user:Gjs238 had re-created on 16 March, apparently without populating it). – Fayenatic London 07:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

::This is a clear case of trying to game the system. The discussion is closed as keep - but users are making a rename.GreyShark (dibra) 13:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

::: I've just spotted that the Ukrainian IP address which did the second move on Motor Sich, out of Russian Empire into the Ukraine category,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Motor_Sich&diff=prev&oldid=836655565] is the same as the address that opposed merging post-1700 in this CFD (above, dated 8 March). – Fayenatic London 21:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|American physicians of Armenian descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. There is not a unique history of Armenian-Americans in medicine that would justify this category. All three articles are already in {{cl|American physicians}} or a subcategory. TM 12:21, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as nominated. No reason given for outright deletion, rather than merger to :Category:American people of Armenian descent. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Merge per BHG. I would have asked for a full upmerge, if the articles were not already in the other potential target. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Overcategorisation. Rathfelder (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Merge. Overcategorisation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tourist attraction in Sylhet to :Category:Tourist attractions in Sylhet

:Nominator's rationale: To fix spelling Shyamsunder (talk) 12:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Obviously speedy rename Peterkingiron (talk) 16:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Legal films to :Category:Legal drama films

:Nominator's rationale: To be consistent with the article of the genre legal drama. --Kailash29792 (talk) 10:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Petscan shows that [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=en&project=wikipedia&depth=14&categories=Documentary%20films%0D%0ALegal%20films&ns%5B0%5D=1&interface_language=en&active_tab=&doit= 1200 Legal films] are also in :Category:Documentary films. They should not be categorised as drama. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
• Oppose per above. Mind you, the current naming leaves a little to be desired, since very few of the films with articles on Wikipedia are illegal. Grutness...wha? 03:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split relisted, see here (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Monsters to :Category:Mythological monsters and :Category:Fictional monsters

:Nominator's rationale: This category is supposedly a subset of :Category:Legendary creatures, meaning it's supposed to only contain monsters from mythology and legend. However, a large number of articles in it are actually from popular culture, fantasy and folklore. I think splitting it would solve the problem, with :Category:Fictional monsters becoming a subcategory of :Category:Fictional life forms instead. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:53, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support as proposed. 91.124.117.29 (talk) 01:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Scheduling class}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, the category only contains redirects, three of which to Scheduling (computing), and the articles to which they redirect are properly categorized in the tree of :Category:Scheduling (computing) already. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:Keep, possibly rename: Not all are redirects, e.g., SCHED DEADLINE. The redirects now cover several different articles within different categories. These are well known names that should be retained. Possibly rename to :Category:Scheduling classes. Dpleibovitz (talk) 22:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. The articles are already categorized more appropriately (e.g. in :Category:Linux kernel process schedulers). The creator of this category appears (this is more obvious in their other categories which are also at CFD) to have poor understanding of wp categorization. DexDor ^(talk) 06:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename (WP:NAC). --DexDor ^(talk) 20:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Cal State East Bay Pioneers football to :Category:Cal State Hayward Pioneers football

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cal State East Bay Pioneers football coaches to :Category:Cal State Hayward Pioneers football coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cal State East Bay Pioneers football players to :Category:Cal State Hayward Pioneers football players

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cal State East Bay Pioneers football seasons to :Category:Cal State Hayward Pioneers football seasons

:Nominator's rationale: The football team at what is now known as California State University, East Bay was discontinued in 1993 when the school was named "California State University, Hayward". The school's athletic teams were commonly referred to as "Cal State Hayward" at that time. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support. The categories should be named according to the common usage when the football program existed. The season articles are already named in this manner. E.g., 1973 Cal State Hayward Pioneers football team. Cbl62 (talk) 16:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Support seems to match expected syntax, I say be BOLD and do it as an administrative change.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Paulmcdonald}} what do you mean by "administrative change"? Jweiss11 (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

:::I see renaming categories as administrative and non-controversial, that's all.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

::::{{Ping|Paulmcdonald}} you're an admin, right? Perhaps you could close Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 22#Amherst Mammoths? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:03, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

:::::I am an admin, but I'm not experienced in the execution of Category changes like this. I'll lend my support there tho...--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

• Support - current name is anachronistic. Neutrality^talk 04:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

{{outdent}} {{Ping|Marcocapelle}}, can we close this one? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

:{{Ping|DexDor}}, can we close this one? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 05:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

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