Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 11

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Sidney Poitier}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent for :Category:Films directed by Sidney Poitier as this holds no other directly-related articles beyond the main article itself. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:27, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Jack Nicholson}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization for just 2 articles (with one being the main article per WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Yo-Yo Ma}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not enough individual content to justify an eponymous category per WP:OCEPON. The discography article can simply be put in the albums category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 19:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People involved with terrorism to :Category:Terrorism

:Nominator's rationale: merge the subcats only per WP:OCASSOC, the category attracts dubious articles (people without a conviction) and the number of subcategories is not that big that it would overcrowd the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support. The sub-cat :Category:People in counter-terrorism should somehow stay within the parent :Category:People associated with crime; is it a good enough fit to put it into :Category:People in law enforcement? – Fayenatic London 08:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Good point, I have added it immediately [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3APeople_in_counter-terrorism&type=revision&diff=863989324&oldid=737449872], as an improvement independent of the proposed merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 20:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Birds of the Miombo to :Category:Birds of Southern Africa

:* Propose merging :Category:Fauna of the Miombo to :Category:Fauna of Southern Africa

:Nominator's rationale: There is, afaics, no such region as "the Miombo" (with a capital "M") so, as a minimum, these categories should be renamed.   Being found in miombo woodland is non-defining for many of the articles currently in the categories e.g. Spotted flat lizard which (makes no mention of miombo) and African savanna hare ("It is native to diverse regions and habitats ..."). Note: the (now-blocked) creator of the category appears to have sometimes categorized based on off-wiki lists rather than the information in articles - e.g. see this.

:There are some articles for which being found in miombo woodland may be a defining characteristic - e.g. "Its habitat is mainly dense miombo woodland, but it has also been observed in ...", but in wp we don't generally categorize species by habitats; we categorize by (country-based) regions.  Attempting to categorize by habitats could get very messy - e.g. would an article that says "Its natural habitats are boreal forests, subtropical or tropical dry forests, subtropical or tropical swamps, and subtropical or tropical moist montane forests." belong in a miombo habitat category? DexDor ^(talk) 19:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment, see also the previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support: There's no such thing as "the Miombo". We could have a category "X of miombo woodland", but we don't usually categorize animals based on the vegetation type in which they spend part of their time. Thank you.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  15:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|The Guild (series)}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT that happens to be empty now; only 2 articles would fall into it were it filled. Izno (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 20:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Algeria‎ to :Category:Companies of Algeria‎ by city

{{Cot|similar categories for other countries}}

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Australia‎ to :Category:Companies of Australia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Austria‎ to :Category:Companies of Austria‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Botswana‎ to :Category:Companies of Botswana‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Brazil‎ to :Category:Companies of Brazil‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Canada‎ to :Category:Companies of Canada‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Cape Verde‎ to :Category:Companies of Cape Verde‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in China‎ to :Category:Companies of China‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Croatia‎ to :Category:Companies of Croatia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in the Czech Republic‎ to :Category:Companies of the Czech Republic‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Finland‎ to :Category:Companies of Finland‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in France‎ to :Category:Companies of France‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Germany‎ to :Category:Companies of Germany‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Greece‎ to :Category:Companies of Greece‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Haiti‎ to :Category:Companies of Haiti‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Iceland‎ to :Category:Companies of Iceland‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in India‎ to :Category:Companies of India‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city of Indonesia‎ to :Category:Companies of Indonesia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Ireland‎ to :Category:Companies of Ireland‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Israel‎ to :Category:Companies of Israel‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Italy‎ to :Category:Companies of Italy‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Japan‎ to :Category:Companies of Japan‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Jordan‎ to :Category:Companies of Jordan‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in South Korea‎ to :Category:Companies of South Korea‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Lithuania‎ to :Category:Companies of Lithuania‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Malaysia‎ to :Category:Companies of Malaysia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in the Netherlands‎ to :Category:Companies of the Netherlands‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in New Zealand‎ to :Category:Companies of New Zealand‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Nigeria‎ to :Category:Companies of Nigeria‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Norway‎ to :Category:Companies of Norway‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Pakistan‎ to :Category:Companies of Pakistan‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in the Philippines‎ to :Category:Companies of the Philippines‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Poland‎ to :Category:Companies of Poland‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Portugal‎ to :Category:Companies of Portugal‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Romania‎ to :Category:Companies of Romania‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Russia‎ to :Category:Companies of Russia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Saudi Arabia‎ to :Category:Companies of Saudi Arabia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Serbia‎ to :Category:Companies of Serbia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Slovenia‎ to :Category:Companies of Slovenia‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in South Africa‎ to :Category:Companies of South Africa‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Spain‎ to :Category:Companies of Spain‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Sweden‎ to :Category:Companies of Sweden‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Switzerland‎ to :Category:Companies of Switzerland‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Taiwan‎ to :Category:Companies of Taiwan‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Turkey‎ to :Category:Companies of Turkey‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Ukraine‎ to :Category:Companies of Ukraine‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in the United Kingdom‎ to :Category:Companies of the United Kingdom‎ by city

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in the United States‎ to :Category:Companies of the United States‎ by city

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies by city in Vietnam‎ to :Category:Companies of Vietnam‎ by city

:Nominator's rationale: The proposed names would match other hierarchies such as :Category:Companies of the Netherlands by industry & :Category:Companies of the Netherlands by year of establishment. – Fayenatic London 13:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• Note: This is a follow-on from a failed nomination for deletion of the Netherlands category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 2. – Fayenatic London 13:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
• Note 2: Within :Category:Companies by country and city, Argentina and Mexico already have the proposed form. If the nomination is not approved, then those categories and the Indonesia one should be renamed to match the majority. – Fayenatic London 13:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support in the spirit of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support in line with Marcocapelle. Rathfelder (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The main confusion is why the proposal is to delete the container category but keep the subcategories that divide castles by region. A fresh nomination that deletes all of them could be preferable. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Castles in Germany by region}}

:Nominator's rationale: Superfluous. All the subcategories are already in :Category:Castles in Germany by state‎ - as are all the other castles. Rathfelder (talk) 12:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Regions seems to be a well-established tree structure in Germany. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

::I disagree; only castles are categorized like this; for example :Category:Churches in Germany by region is a redlink. DexDor ^(talk) 21:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - Categorizing by region as well as by state is overkill. Such duplication can lead to articles being categorized in two incomplete category schemes rather than in one complete scheme. DexDor ^(talk) 21:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
• In Germany regions are now only really used for geographical features. Länder, states, are the administrative units. Rathfelder (talk) 12:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
• Question/comment {{ping|Rathfelder}} aren't the subcategories supposed to be included in the nomination (as merge to Länder level)? Without including the subcategories in the nomination I do not understand the rationale very well. If the subcategories are meant to be kept, then at least the category should be upmerged to :Category:Castles in Germany instead of deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

::: Struck latter part after discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:* :Category:Castles in Germany by state already contains the three regional categories, in their appropriate states.Rathfelder (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

::* Ok, fair enough, so a merge is not needed. Still, I don't understand why we would delete the parent category but keep the subcategories. Either we do categorize by region or we don't. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:I would happily delete the subcategories, but it may be that the regions are geographically significant. After all the Länder were not established until centuries after the castles were built. So I think that is a seperate discussion.Rathfelder (talk) 09:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

::Reply I think that :Category:Regions of Germany displays plenty of possibility for future growth in itself and in its children. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:::Maybe - but unlike some other countries there is no agreement about what constitutes a region in Germany. I think there are categories for at least 5 different kinds of regions. Rathfelder (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Jewish communist movements. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Jewish communism to :Category:Jews and Communism

:Nominator's rationale: I'm uneasy about the name of this category, which seems to endorse Jewish Bolshevism, an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Catrìona (talk) 10:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• 'Jews and Communism' is misleading, a better option could be :Category:Jewish communist movements. --Soman (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:Jewish communist movements, which IMHO is the clearest and unambiguous alternative. Debresser (talk) 10:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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