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== Category:Executed Widerstand Catholics ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 17:15, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Executed Widerstand Catholics to :Category:Executed German Resistance members

:Nominator's rationale: and :Category:Roman Catholics in the German Resistance. These people were executed for resistance activities not because they were Catholics. Therefore, their execution was not part of :Category:Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church. Catrìona (talk) 22:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:The Good Place episodes ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete, as I am not aware of precedent or guidance that says 1 is sufficient for a TV episode category by series. This is a WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. the category may be re-created if more pages are created. In practice, the category needs to be merged to :Category:The Good Place, and I will add the pilot episode to another parent :Category:Sitcom episodes. – Fayenatic London 10:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|The Good Place episodes}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only two links Matt14451 (talk) 21:16, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Most episodes are notable enough for an article. Take for instance a random recent episode, The Brainy Bunch—here are some reviews: [https://tv.avclub.com/in-a-funny-but-scattered-episode-the-good-place-and-ba-1829530347][https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/the-good-place/60925/the-good-place-season-3-episode-2-review-the-brainy-bunch][http://www.vulture.com/2018/10/the-good-place-recap-season-3-episode-3-the-brainy-bunch.html][https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-recaps/the-good-place-recap-season-3-episode-2-the-brainy-bunch-730508/][https://ew.com/recap/the-good-place-recap-brainy-bunch/]. Rather than deleting the category, it would be better to populate it by creating these articles. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 22:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

::I agree that many episodes are notable enough in their own right for articles. The nav-box was already deleted due to lack of links. Both can be recreated once articles are created. Potential is no guarantee they will be created. As far as I can tell, there's no drafts for episode articles of this series. Matt14451 (talk) 07:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete. Actually only one entry, as the other entry is the episode list. We don't create empty categories on the off-chance that someone will write articles to populate them; if the articles on individual episodes are ever created, the category can be recreated in a matter of seconds. ‑ Iridescent 22:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • What should the minimum requirement be? I can nominate the many other similar categories based on that number (3, 4, 10, 20?). Otherwise, why isn't the small category exception applied here like a band with an article on only one of their albums? I do find that helpful to navigate through and explore something like :Category:American television episodes by series. At the very least, the episode article should be upmerged to :Category:Sitcom episodes and :Category:The Good Place. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 07:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

::There is realistic potential for growth in this situation. As mentioned above, the individual episodes are notable enough for articles so they can be created. Matt14451 (talk) 07:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Hakka songs ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Hakka songs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category with only one, eponymous, entry. Article can be added to :Category:Hakka culture directly and this deleted. JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 18:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

::Whilst currently only one article, the number is more of a reflection of poor coverage in English wikipedia of the topic. The category is both natural and meaningful. The number of articles should grow over time, so if removed now it would have to be added again in the future, which is a good reason not to delete.Johnkn63 (talk) 02:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:::It can be recreated if needed, though I would be surprised if that ever happened. Seems it existed once on zh.wp but was deleted as an empty category. If editors can’t find enough to write about Hakka songs there then it seems even less likely articles will be created here.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 02:40, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

::::zh.wp suffers from the vaste majority of mother tongue speakers being blocked from it, by comparison Chinese sites such as baike.baidu.com have many related pages. With a population of well over 50 million, there are more Hakka than all but a few dozen countries in the world. How many articles are required for a category?Johnkn63 (talk) 09:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Marin Gaupalika ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Marin Gaupalika}}

:Nominator's rationale: not a category L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Wikipedian descendants of combat veterans ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Wikipedian descendants of combat veterans}}

:Nominator's rationale: While some Wikipedians who are members of group categories have a potentially valid purpose in categorising readers with similar interests or knowledge, this one baffles me. I can't see any conceivable use for it—probably well over 99% of the world's population are {{tq|descendants of veterans of military combat}}, and even if one were to restrict it only to wars fought in the 20th and 21st centuries, would almost certainly be well over half the world's population. It's also not a category that has any useful function in terms of Wikipedia that I can see, since it's not claiming any special knowledge of or even interest in military history, merely that someone in the family either volunteered for the military, lived in a country with compulsory military service, or happened to be of a suitable age in a war fought with conscript armies.  ‑ Iridescent 17:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment "would almost certainly be well over half the world's population." I would agree with that assessment. Both of my grandfathers were conscript soldiers in the Greek Civil War, and much of the current Greek population likely descends from the combatants of the war. It is not something rare. Dimadick (talk) 12:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Archaea described in the 1920s ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Upmerge/Delete. Timrollpickering 17:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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=== 'Described in DECADE' discussion ===

:Nominator's rationale: Follow-up merging & removal of decadal categories, per WP:TREE RFC @ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life#Request for comment: categorizing by year of formal description. See previous, related CfDs here, here, here, here, and here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

:WT:MICRO, WT:PALEO, & WT:TREE notified.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:International sports federations ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 17:15, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:International sports federations to :Category:International sports organisations

:Nominator's rationale: Not all the articles and sub cats are about federations. Widening the scope of the category seems preferable to establishing a separate category for what would be a small collection of miscellaneous organisations. Rathfelder (talk) 15:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Organisations based in the European Union ==

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:The result of the discussion was: {{relisted}} at 2018 NOV 6 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Organisations based in the European Union to :Category:Organisations relating to the European Union

:Nominator's rationale: This is a rather tentative suggestion, but I think the point of this category is not about where the organisations are based, but about how they relate to the EU - and this would include a lot of lobbying, thinktank and commercial organisations. Rathfelder (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

:*:Category:Organisations based in Europe includes thousands of articles, and is considerably wider, geographically speaking. There are actually quite a lot of organisations which relate to the EU, but there isn't a category for them. Rathfelder (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

::* What type of relationships with the EU are they about? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

  • There are actually only two articles in the category at the moment, but I've just found :Category:Cross-European advocacy groups which I think is the same general idea, although there isn't an article to tell me what exactly is meant. I don't like its title because I don't know what it is supposed to mean, and of course even the term European is ambiguous. There is also :Category:Pan-European trade and professional organisations. Maybe Pan-European and Cross-European mean the same? So I think we need at least a category relating to the EU, and perhaps another one (or more?), for organisations relating other, wider, conceptions of Europe. I guess most of the organisations I'm thinking about are based in Europe - in fact most are based in Brussels - but where they are based in not the basis of the category. Rathfelder (talk) 15:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:* We already have :Category:Bodies of the European Union and I am sceptical whether we need something in addition. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

::*That is for official organisations which are part of the EU. There are large numbers of lobbying and advocacy groups and the like which dont belong there.Rathfelder (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

:::* For sure advocacy groups don't belong there. But do they belong in a EU category at all? Can you give some examples of advocacy groups that exclusively lobby within EU government bodies? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

::::*It's hard to tell with advocacy groups whether they confine themselves to the EU, but many seem to focus on it. See European Union National Institutes for Culture, European Round Table of Industrialists, Gibraltar Stronger in Europe.Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::* Ok, there may be scope for the category after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:WikiProject Earth science participants ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|WikiProject Earth science participants}}

:Nominator's rationale: WikiProject Earth Science has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth science#Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth science over a year ago so there is no need for this category. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:WikiProject Earth science templates ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|WikiProject Earth science templates}}

:Nominator's rationale: WikiProject Earth Science has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth science#Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth science. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:WikiProject Earth science ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|WikiProject Earth science}}

:Nominator's rationale: WikiProject Earth Science has been deleted. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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== Category:Beast (Canadian band) members ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 17:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Beast (Canadian band) members}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for the members of a defunct musical duo. As always, every band that exists does not automatically get one of these just because one or both of its members have standalone BLPs separately from the band article -- especially when the band is defunct, so its number of members is never going to surpass two. Bearcat (talk) 02:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

:*Delete - this is a classic example of a horrible category with no justification for existence (see :WP:SMALLCAT). --Orange Mike | Talk 04:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

:*Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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