Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 21

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Advocacy groups by continent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which is not an "Advocacy groups by continent". Not really enough articles about advocacy groups to make grouping them by continent worthwhile. Rathfelder (talk) 19:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep and populate for the reasons stated at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_August_15#Category:Advocacy_groups_by_continent. Also, WP:TROUT the nominator for choosing not to disclose that this is a repeat nomination. – Fayenatic London 11:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• {{ping|Oculi|kku|Peterkingiron}} Pinging other previous participants. – Fayenatic London
• Merge - another 2 months have passed and there is still no evidence of any editor wishing to flesh out the vision of the creator in 2016. Oculi (talk) 11:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Alternatively, rename to :Category:Advocacy groups by region which could be more useful, thinking of e.g. Southeast Asian Press Alliance. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
• Keep as a container. The subcat is a valid member (or close to that). I suspect that other continents will have similar multinational organisations to be siblings for it, other at a continental or subcontinental level. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:15, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Retail companies established in 1670 to :Category:Companies established in 1670

:Nominator's rationale: There is only one company established in 1670 with a WP article. Plus there are no other retail companies established categories prior to 1800. Categorizing just as companies is enough. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:47, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:Support We could do with some guidance about taking historical categories back in time. Perhaps a rule of thumb could be that we need at least 2 articles in several categories before we go back a further level?Rathfelder (talk) 08:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support - also upmerge to :Category:Retail companies established in the 17th century, to join one other article. Oculi (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchists by occupation}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist artists}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist musicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist poets}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist writers}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist academics}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist historians}}

:* Propose deleting {{Lc|Anarchist pedagogues}}

:Nominator's rationale: Anarchism is not an occupation/job, so this category misleadingly collects illogical subcategories. For instance, "Anarchist historian" is not a defining breakdown of historian, though it is reasonable to have :Category:Historians of anarchism. Likewise, :Category:Anarcho-punk musicians is reasonable, as anarcho-punk is a genre with its own article, but :Category:Anarchist musicians does not describe any established type of musician. Non-anarcho-punk musicians should instead be grouped by the existing "American musicians" and "American anarchists" cats. Similarly, the other occupation subcats I checked did not diffuse profession by political ideology.

:Open to ideas on how best to handle, but to my eyes, the only subcategory worth preserving is "Anarcho-punk musicians" (which can sit under "Anarchists") as the only occupation with an established connection to the identity. czar 12:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment -- The output of all these people will be affected by their political stance, so that it is probably relevant. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:* No different than :Category:Fascist musicians or :Category:Marxist academics. The individuals in these categories are already served by existing intersections (e.g., :Category:American musicians + :Category:American anarchists). czar 03:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

• Mostly support, per nom, with the exception of :Category:Anarchist writers since they (or at least part of them) were writing about their own point of view with respect to anarchism. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

:: The majority of that category, right now, are authors by profession who, unrelatedly, identify as anarchist. As a cross-section, they're better served by the existing category structure (as above). Now if there was a subset of propagandists that did something specific with their writing, that might be worth calling out, but do you see such a subset? czar 10:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

::: We surely need to purge the writers category but plain deletion is too drastic. For example Mikhail Bakunin, Luigi Bertoni and Stuart Christie may stay. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:20, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Keeping these articles is extremely important in relation to categorization of Anarchism. In this way, it can easily be noted that a specific anarchist was also a poet, for example, and therefore make it easier to find others. SuperChris (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Delete all but writers the intersection of various professions with political viewpoint, ethnicity, religion, etc. is trivial. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
• Delete all but writers as trivial intersections. I'm expecting :Category:Left-handed red-hair Buddhist socialist hairdressers from Elko, Nevada soon. Place Clichy (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep per DENY. NPASR if an editor in good standing agrees with nomination rationale. Primefac (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sri Lanka women cricket captains to :Category:Sri Lankan women's cricket captains

:Nominator's rationale: Nationality should replace country as for similar categories and the name of the sport is women's cricket, not women cricket. Scribbles by The Scribbler (talk) 11:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep per DENY. NPASR if an editor in good standing agrees with nomination rationale. Primefac (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:South Africa women's national cricket team captains to :Category:South African women's cricket captains

:Nominator's rationale: Nationality should be used, not country, as is the case for similar categories. Equally, as these categories hold articles about domestic team captains, it is incorrect to use national team in the title. Scribbles by The Scribbler (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep per DENY. No prejudice against renomination if someone else finds that this is a valid nomination Primefac (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Women cricket captains to :Category:Women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:International XI women cricket captains to :Category:International XI women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Bangladeshi women cricket captains to :Category:Bangladeshi women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Danish women cricket captains to :Category:Danish women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Dutch women cricket captains to :Category:Dutch women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Indian women cricket captains to :Category:Indian women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish women cricket captains to :Category:Irish women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Jamaican women cricket captains to :Category:Jamaican women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Japanese women cricket captains to :Category:Japanese women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:New Zealand women cricket captains to :Category:New Zealand women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Pakistani cricket captains to :Category:Pakistani women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Scottish women cricket captains to :Category:Scottish women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Trinidad and Tobago women cricket captains to :Category:Trinidad and Tobago women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:West Indian women cricket captains to :Category:West Indian women's cricket captains

:* Propose renaming :Category:Zimbabwean women cricket captains to :Category:Zimbabwean women's cricket captains

:Nominator's rationale: The sport is known as women's cricket and omission of the apostrophe is grammatically incorrect. The context of any article is captain of a women's cricket team. It is wrong to suggest that the category is about women who are cricket captains because that might lead into mixed cricket and so be irrelevant here. Women's cricket is an independent sport. Bundle is now complete. Thanks. Scribbles by The Scribbler (talk) 12:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose all per WP:REVERTBAN, nominator is now blocked as sock. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Basshunter singles covers to :Category:Basshunter album covers

:Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme for cover art for singles and has been a long-established precedent that all cover art files for a music artist, whether for albums or singles, go into an album covers category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 09:52, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

: No point to keep them separetly same as categories for articles and it's misleading because singles are not albums. Eurohunter (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support - the nom is correct. Oculi (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
• {{re|Oculi}} What about misleading readers? It could be eventually "Category Basshunter covers". Eurohunter (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Separating music artwork by the type of release it appeared on is overcategorisation. I see no reason to create further distinctions. FWIW, Basshunter covers would mean something totally different again. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• {{re|Richhoncho}} I think you mean it would mean magazine covers and I see now it's right but singles stil are not albums. Eurohunter (talk) 19:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• But cover art is cover art, and there is no need to have separate categories for such image files. These aren't articles. A rename has been requested in the past, however. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• No, a 'Basshunter cover' would mean, to many, a song written and recorded by Basshunter and then recorded by another artist afterwards - hence a 'cover of a previously recorded song' Horrible use of English, but now established. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Observances set by the Ethiopian calendar to :Category:Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and :Category:Christian festivals and holy days

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, this calendar is exclusively tied to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, categorizing these festivals by calendar and by church is mere duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Observances set by the Coptic calendar to :Category:Coptic Orthodox Church and :Category:Christian festivals and holy days

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the calendar is exclusively tied to the Coptic Orthodox Church, categorizing these festivals by calendar and by the church is mere duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Observances set by the Hebrew calendar to :Category:Jewish observances

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the calendar is fully tied to the Jewish ethnicity, categorizing these observances by calendar and ethnicity is mere duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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