Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 11

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch to :Category:Central Dutch

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch athletic directors to :Category:Central Dutch athletic directors

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch baseball to :Category:Central Dutch baseball

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch baseball coaches to :Category:Central Dutch baseball coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch baseball players to :Category:Central Dutch baseball players

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch men's basketball to :Category:Central Dutch men's basketball

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch men's basketball coaches to :Category:Central Dutch men's basketball coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch men's basketball players to :Category:Central Dutch men's basketball players

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch football to :Category:Central Dutch football

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch football coaches to :Category:Central Dutch football coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:Central College Dutch football players to :Category:Central Dutch football players

:Nominator's rationale: The general convention for American college sports is to drop "College" or "University" from the naming scheme for individual college teams, with some exceptions such as Boston College Eagles, as Boston College's teams are never called simply "Boston" or the "Boston Eagles". For the sports teams of Central College (Iowa), while the phrase "Central College Dutch" is sometimes used, "Central Dutch" is more common, and in structural listings the teams are simply called "Central", not "Central College". See the third-party sources cited in the templates found at :Category:American Rivers Conference football standings templates and see the American Rivers Conference website, e.g. https://rollrivers.com/standings.aspx?standings=142. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Rename all per nom. Pretty uncontroversial in my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 13:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment -- I hope there is no ambiguity with anything relating to the Netherlands. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Fair point. However, while I am Dutch, I can't imagine that "Central Dutch football" would have any local meaning for Dutch soccer fans. Even less so with other sports. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:The Lancet people to :Category:Editors of The Lancet

:Nominator's rationale: All but 1 are editors Rathfelder (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

:*It's editing the Lancet that makes these people notable. Rathfelder (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

::* Merge to :Category:Medical journal editors per Rathfelder's objection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

:::*That seems perfectly sensible. Rathfelder (talk) 10:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Journal of the American Medical Association people to :Category:Editors of the Journal of the American Medical Association

:Nominator's rationale: They are all editors Rathfelder (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

::* Merge to :Category:Medical journal editors, see discussion above. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

:::*That seems perfectly sensible. Rathfelder (talk) 10:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Orthodox cathedrals in Jerusalem

:Nominator's rationale Per WP:SmallCat. Contains only 1 article. Unlikely to expand. No need for upmerging as it already has parents :Category:Eastern Orthodox cathedrals in Jerusalem, :Category:Russian Orthodox cathedrals in Israel, :Category:Russian Orthodox cathedrals in the State of Palestine and :Category:Russian Orthodox churches in Jerusalem. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. In addition, each of the parent categories can be nominated to be upmerged. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete with only one cathedral currently there and little reason to think that there will be additional Russian Cathedrals built there, I think this one can be deleted. (However, note for other cities, that the Orthodox use of the word "Cathedral" is somewhat different from the Anglican/Catholic use, so there may be more than one Cathedral in a city and that's without even mentioning cases like NYC where because there are different Russian Orthodox jurisdiction now and in the past there are multiple Russian Orthodox Cathedrals.)--Jahaza (talk) 06:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete -- relying on the assurance that it is necessary to merge anything. There is unlikely to be another cathedral there. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Distance education institutions based in Ireland to :Category:Distance education institutions based in the Republic of Ireland

:Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:IRE-CATS, as all these institutions are actually in the Republic of Ireland. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Fine by me. Though I still dont think WP:IRE-CATS works. There are plenty of categories which dont have a republic sub category.Rathfelder (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support but without prejudice as to its later re-creation should an institution open in Northern Ireland. By the way, WP:IRE-CATS works: it's a Good Friday Agreement thing for the sake of peace and reconciliation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. MER-C 10:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Distance education by country‎ to :Category:Distance education

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in Brazil‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in the Republic of Ireland‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in the Netherlands‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in New Zealand‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in Norway‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in South Korea‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in Sweden‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Distance education in the United Kingdom‎

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT and manually move the four articles in the eight above subcategories to the correct continent subcategory of :Category:Distance education as well as their country education category. In most countries, apart from distance education institutions (which have their own subcategory), there is not enough content about this topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Rathfelder (talk) 15:54, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment/question: (Please ping me if there is an answer....) Is it really importance to {{cat|Distance education}} where it is happening? After all, it is distance education. Distance education institutions based in a country is a different matter. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Language and literature in Anglo-Saxon England to :Category:Anglo-Saxon England

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, with only two subcategories this category layer is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support – Good idea.Amitchell125 (talk) 14:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Royal styles. MER-C 10:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Styles of sovereigns to :Category:Royal and noble styles

:Nominator's rationale: rename in order to align with main article Royal and noble styles. An alternative speedy rename proposal was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

{{cot|discussion at CFDS}}

• :Category:Styles of sovereigns to :Category:Imperial, royal and noble styles – C2D. PPEMES (talk) 17:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
• : PPEMES The main article is actually Imperial, royal, and noble styles. So this should be renamed to {{cat|Imperial, royal, and noble styles}}. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:18, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

::: I guess a grammatical question? However, I'd be inclined to correct also the grammar of tte main article in accordance, to the best of my understanding, to contemporary English grammar? PPEMES (talk) 12:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:::* The article title is not currently discussed, so C2D implies supporting Armbrust's alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

:::**MOS:SERIAL says either convention for commas may be followed (usage within a page must be consistent). My personal preference would be to rename the article, removing the serial comma. However, I oppose speedy renaming to match that article, since it would widen the scope of the category. I have demoted the standing of the article on the category page by using {{tl|cat more}} rather than {{tl|cat main}}. I suggest instead a full CFR to "Royal styles". – Fayenatic London 21:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

:::*:I have boldly moved the article back to Royal and noble styles (its name until boldly moved by PPEMES in Dec 2018; Dicklyon moved it again in April 2019, inserting the serial comma). – Fayenatic London 09:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Rename but to :Category:Royal styles. It is currently just for royal, not noble styles, and there is no need to change its scope. The fact that that the lead article has a wider scope does not require us to broaden the category. – Fayenatic London 15:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

:* (as nom) I am okay with this as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support nom but can live with alt too. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support nom. PPEMES (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Members of the 22nd Knesset (2019–) to :Category:Members of the 22nd Knesset (2019–2020)

:Nominator's rationale: The 23rd Knesset election will be held on March 2, 2020 as can be seen at 2020 Israeli legislative election. A few days after that the members are sworn in. This means the end date for the 22nd is known. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. But maybe we should have a speedy process for issues of this sort? Rathfelder (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Introducing a new speedy process sounds like a good idea, but for this case I would rather prefer renaming by March 2 rather than right now. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait for March 2, 2020. Anything else is crystal ball gazing. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support No issue with crystal ball gazing as the 22nd Knesset has already been dissolved and an election date set. Number 57 23:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 11:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television stations in Roanoke, Virginia to :Category:Television stations in the Roanoke–Lynchburg market

:Nominator's rationale: Previous discussion was closed as no consensus, but now the rationale to rename is strong: to follow the established pattern for subcategories of :Category:Television stations in Virginia. (See :Category:Television stations in the Hampton Roads market‎ and :Category:Television stations in the Bluefield–Beckley–Oak Hill market.) Senator2029 “Talk” 06:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, as only 2 out of 7 siblings show this pattern it is certainly not an "established" pattern. Rather rename the 2 outliers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - it is indeed the ones in :Category:Television stations in the United States by city which include 'market' (inexplicably) which should be renamed (per eg :Category:Roanoke, Virginia). We don't even have an article Roanoke–Lynchburg market. Oculi (talk) 09:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Follow-up on this: see further up this CfD page. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 20:50, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Istro-Romanians to :Category:Istro-Romanian people

:Nominator's rationale: This is the common practice in categories of ethnic groups. See for example :Category:Romanian people (not "Romanians") or :Category:Aromanian people (not "Aromanians"). Super Ψ Dro 14:00, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support – However, this category's main article is titled Istro-Romanians, and should also be moved when the category is renamed. Senator2029 “Talk” 06:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

::{{u|Senator2029}}, that's against the common practice, the categories I mentioned above have "people" in their name but the main articles don't. Super Ψ Dro 18:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, "people" categories are meant for biographies, while there is currently only one biography in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

::{{u|Marcocapelle}}, doesn't "Istro-Romanians" also refer to the people? And the number of Istro-Romanian biographies cannot really be greatly increased (there are currently 2), they have always been a small ethnic group and therefore there are few notable Istro-Romanians. Super Ψ Dro 18:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Super Dromaeosaurus}} see for example :Category:Aromanians and :Category:Aromanian people. The articles in the former category are topic articles, the articles and subcategories in the latter are biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

:::It must be an exception, because many other ethnicities only have one category that contains "people" in its name (for example :Category:Kurdish people, :Category:Berber people, :Category:Tibetan people, :Category:Basque people, :Category:Chechen people, I intentionally mentioned stateless ethnic groups). Super Ψ Dro 13:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:::* These are categories for biographies, consistent with what I said earlier. There is nearly always a parent category for topic articles on top of these people categories: :Category:Kurdistan, :Category:Berber etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Marcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 21:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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