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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 02:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Villages in Belthangady taluka to :Category:Villages in Belthangady

:Nominator's rationale: Belthangady Taluka redirects to Belthangady. Fuddle (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Villages in Dakshina Kannada district per WP:SMALLCAT and oppose rename, surrounding villages in a town category does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per Marcocapelle as a WP:SMALLCAT. Seems like a better way to organize this for now, and perhaps there are articles in the larger category that could be subdivided more intelligently. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 04:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Nazis who committed suicide by location to :Category:Nazis who committed suicide

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

• Weak delete, yeah, can't see this growing. Both subcats are in the appropriate suicides by location categories. Grutness...wha? 04:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per above, redundant and unneeded layer of detail. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 09:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 04:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Wikipedia requested images of Oklahoma to :Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Oklahoma

:Nominator's rationale: Seems to be an unnecessary and duplicative subcategory within the main category for Oklahoma image requests Jmertel23 (talk) 10:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Can't help but wonder whether "images" would be better wording for the entire req scheme given that all photos are images, but not vice versa. That's a debate for another day though. Grutness...wha? 04:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Singapore Sports School}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Singapore Sports School, :Category:Singapore Sports School alumni and a logo. All adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 4#Secondary_schools_in_Singapore. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:35, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Saterland Frisian language}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Saterland Frisian language and a template. Both are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Shire of Cloncurry. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Selwyn, Queensland to :Category:Shire of Cloncurry

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Selwyn, Queensland and one other. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Severn Area Rescue Association}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article :Severn Area Rescue Association and 4 redirects to that page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete -- The main article is adequately if not extensively categorised. I doubt we need separate articles on the various rescue stations. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dinmore, Queensland}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the one article Dinmore railway station, and the only one which could be added is the head article Dinmore, Queensland. Both are adequately categorised, so need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Karrabin, Queensland}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Karrabin, Queensland and one other:Karrabin railway station. Both are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Guslitsa. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Ramenye to :Category:Guslitsa

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT: only one article. The title Ramenye is a disambiguation which i just created. We don't appear to have any article on a Ramenye in Moscow Oblast. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Blayney Shire. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Newbridge, New South Wales to :Category:Blayney Shire

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Newbridge, New South Wales and one other article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Murray River Council. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:Propose merging:

:* :Category:Barham, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Cunninyeuk, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Dilpurra, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Mallan, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Murray Downs, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Tooleybuc, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:* :Category:Wakool, New South Wales to :Category:Murray River Council

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these categories for small towns in Murray River Council contains only two pages: the eponymous article and one other article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Warrumbungle Shire. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Kenebri, New South Wales to :Category:Warrumbungle Shire

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Kenebri, New South Wales and one other article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge (rather than rename) per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• {{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} Did you mean to propose renaming or merging here? --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
• Thanks, @Mdaniels5757. I meant Merge. Now corrected. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cataract, New South Wales to :Category:City of Wollongong

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous article Cataract, New South Wales and one other article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. I do not know whether the dam should perhaps (also) be put in :Category:Wollondilly Shire as a second merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Marcocapelle, I have added Cataract Dam to :Category:Wollondilly Shire. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

::* Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: procedural close since this category has been subsequently nominated at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17#Suburbs_of_Sydney_smallcats. bibliomaniac15 21:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Couridjah, New South Wales to :Category:Suburbs of Sydney

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Couridjah, New South Wales and one other article: Couridjah railway station. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT at least to :Category:Wollondilly Shire. I am uncertain about :Category:Suburbs of Sydney as the proposed merge target for the main article; the station article should certainly not moved there. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Marcocapelle, I have looked again at the category, and AFAICS deletion would leave everything adequately categorised. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

::* Ok, thanks for checking. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Wollondilly Shire. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Brownlow Hill, New South Wales to :Category:Wollondilly Shire

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Brownlow Hill, New South Wales and one other article: Brownlow Hill Estate. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Upper Lachlan Shire. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

• Propose merging:

:* :Category:Bannaby, New South Wales to :Category:Upper Lachlan Shire

:* :Category:Collector, New South Wales to :Category:Upper Lachlan Shire

:* :Category:Crookwell, New South Wales to :Category:Upper Lachlan Shire

:* :Category:Taralga to :Category:Upper Lachlan Shire

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT.
:Category:Bannaby, New South Wales Contains only the eponymous Bannaby, New South Wales and one other article: Hillas Farm Homestead. The other categories follow the same pattern: head article plus one other. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Greater Hume Shire. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

• Propose merging:

:* :Category:Rosewood, New South Wales to :Category:Greater Hume Shire

:* :Category:Gerogery, New South Wales to :Category:Greater Hume Shire

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT.
Each category contains only two pages: the head article plus one other. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Rosenborg Castle Gardens to :Category:Parks in Copenhagen

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Rosenborg Castle Gardens and one other article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. (The two articles might also be merged but that is a different discussion.) Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Salussola}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article and one other. Both are adequately categorised. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Salem, South Carolina}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Salem, South Carolina and one other. Both are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. — Emperork (talk) 02:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. bibliomaniac15 04:54, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:The Sandlot film series to :Category:The Sandlot (film series)

:Nominator's rationale: The common way to have categories for film series. ★Trekker (talk) 14:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. ֆօʍɛɮօɖʏǟռʏɮօɖʏ05 (talk) 14:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:The Sandlot films per precedent (:Category:Shrek films, :Category:The Shaggy Dog films, etc.) Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. — Emperork (talk) 02:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom to :Category:The Sandlot (film series). That's the standard naming format for film series categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• I see no such standard based on a check of numerous sub-categories in :Category:Films by series by genre. The category contains the films and only the films and the name should reflect that; the proposed name suggests it is an eponymous category for an article about the series, which does not exist. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: manual deletion. MER-C 11:04, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Special Natural Monuments}}

:Nominator's rationale: Most of the articles in this category are species (e.g. Rock ptarmigan, Crested ibis, Bonin white-eye, Firefly squid) for which having this designation is a non-defining characteristic. See also WP:OC#AWARD.  The list here (at the bottom of the table) shows that if this category was complete it would also include e.g. Otter. DexDor ^(talk) 17:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

::Note: The list (and maybe some of the non-species articles) should be upmerged to the parent category :Category:Natural monuments of Japan which should also be purged of articles about species (e.g. Dormouse). DexDor ^(talk) 04:49, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete/partial upmerge per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge C19 to :Category:19th-century Islam except for those contents which are already in :Category:19th-century mosques. Delete the rest, which only contain sub-cats for mosques. As a consequence of this CFD I will also delete :Category:1898 in Islam, an isolated year category which only contains :Category:Mosques completed in 1898. – Fayenatic London 17:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:970s in Islam

:* Propose deleting :Category:1230s in Islam

:* Propose deleting :Category:1360s in Islam

:* Propose deleting :Category:1370s in Islam

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1400s in Islam

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:* Propose deleting :Category:1880s in Islam

:* Propose deleting :Category:1890s in Islam

:* Propose deleting :Category:1960s in Islam

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, these categories only contain one subcategory each. The amount of en.wp articles about Islam before the year 1979 is too small to populate these decade categories decently. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:18, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• Populate where possible but delete where still small. There's a lot of underpopulating here for example Partition of India belongs in the 1940s category, and Arab Revolt belongs in the 1920s category). Grutness...wha? 04:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• I've made a start, I think all the 20th-century ones are now keeps. Grutness...wha? 10:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• I'm withdrawing the 20th-century ones. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:DEMOLISH. Islam has been one of the world's major religions since well before the earliest category in this series, and there should be little difficulty populating with current content. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge to century categories. These categories are not empty, and it seems reasonable to group people and events by century. Dimadick (talk) 15:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* That is a good point, meanwhile some articles have been added and they should be merged to the parent categories, e.g. to :Category:1890s in religion and :Category:19th-century Islam. But the mosques decade subcategories should be excluded from the merge so it is probably best to do this merge manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete those that are just place holders for "mosques completed in ..." or for which only a few of articles are available. Given the breadth of "Islam", there may be more later and then they can be recreated but not useful now. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
• Question. How would anyone benefit from ripping out these parts of the category tree? How does it help readers or editors?

:Intermediate category layers like this are a helpful part of the category tree which allow multiple navigational paths in the category tree. Ripping them out makes the category tree harder to navigate. So what's the claimed benefit to offset this damage? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

:* With the alternative to merge, as proposed by Dimadick, nothing will be ripped out. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

::*'Marcocapelle, Dimadick's proposal still involves ripping out lots of decade categories.

:::What's the claimed benefit to offset this damage? How does it help readers or editors to remove this layer of navigation? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::: After the merge, you can go straight from Faraizi movement to the 4 other articles in :Category:19th century in Islam. And when you are also interested in mosques you can still dive into the 19th-century mosques subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

:::::@Marcocapelle, I will try asking for a third time: what is the claimed benefit of removing these categories? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

:::::* I have already answered the question above. In summary, more efficient navigation by skipping a category layer that is (nearly) empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

::::::*No, @Marcocapelle, it does not do that.

:::::::All you achieve by removing these categories is to remove a navigational path. None of the paths which remain becomes any shorter.

:::::::So there is no gain in navigational efficiency, just a reduction in navigational pathways. -BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:40, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

:::::::* {{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} there is definitely a gain in navigational path. Suppose someone is at Faraizi movement and you want to find articles about Islam in the same period.

::::::::: The current path is Faraizi movement -> :Category:1810s in Islam -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> Timeline of 19th-century Muslim history.

::::::::: After the merge the path will become Faraizi movement -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> Timeline of 19th-century Muslim history.

:::::::: In the current situation an inexperienced user may even quickly give up after not finding any other article in :Category:1810s in Islam which is a situation that will not happen after the merge.

:::::::: The path becomes even longer in the current situation when they also want to read the articles in the 1880s and 1890s subcats, but after the merge the path to the 1880s and 1890s articles will stay short:

::::::::: The current path is Faraizi movement -> :Category:1810s in Islam -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> :Category:1880s in Islam -> Ahmadiyya.

::::::::: After the merge the path will become Faraizi movement -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> Ahmadiyya.

:::::::: On the other hand, when someone is at a mosque and is interested in mosques built in the same period, nothing will change (i.e. nothing will become worse) after the merge.

::::::::: For example Dzhumaya Mosque -> :Category:Mosques completed in 1364 -> :Category:Mosques completed in the 1370s -> :Category:Mosques completed in 1370 -> Chaqchan Mosque (which is quite a long way for that matter).

:::::::: To conclude, of course there is reduction, there is no disagreement on that, but the effect of reduction is efficiency (as it always is). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

::::::::*@Marcocapelle, that's a misrepresentation, because you omit lateral navigation between the decade categories. There is no need to step back to the century category when you can go directly from one decade to another.

::::::::::One of the examples you cite is: Faraizi movement -> :Category:1810s in Islam -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> :Category:1880s in Islam -> Ahmadiyya.

::::::::::But the actual path is one step shorter: Faraizi movement -> :Category:1810s in Islam -> :Category:19th-century Islam -> :Category:1880s in Islam -> Ahmadiyya.

:::::::::This is the issue that you consistently miss about chronology categories now that we have the 2-row version of {{tl|Navseasoncats}} (i.e. {{tl|Navseasoncats with decades below year}} and {{tl|Navseasoncats with centuries below decade}}): that each category links directly to up to 21 other chronology categories. You describe the category tree as if the only navigation possible was from between a parent category and its subcat ... but I and several other editors have done masses of work over the last few years to ensure that this is no longer that case. So the "efficiency" gain which you claim is a thing of the past.

:::::::::You do have a point about the distance to the by-century timeline articles, e.g. Timeline of 19th-century Muslim history. So I have resolved that by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl&offset=202009162210&dir=next&limit=128&target=BrownHairedGirl linking to the appropriate article in that series from every Islam chronology category]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

::::::::* {{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} you should have another look at :Category:1810s in Islam because in the current setup it is not possible to go directly from :Category:1810s in Islam to :Category:1880s in Islam. Second, solving an issue for just Timeline of 19th-century Muslim history does not shorten the navigation path to the other articles that are currently :Category:19th-century Islam. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• Merge to century categories if the decade categories are too small, per Dimadick. bibliomaniac15 21:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Satraps of the Achaemenid Empire and :Category:Phrygia. bibliomaniac15 02:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Achaemenid satraps of Greater Phrygia to :Category:Satraps of the Achaemenid Empire and :Category:Phrygians

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one article and unlikely to expand. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Makes sense; category could always be recreated if and when it's needed, but it doesn't seem to be useful now. P Aculeius (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support but not to :Category:Phrygians, as the satraps were not necessarily (read: almost never) locals. Suggest :Category:Phrygia instead. Constantine ✍ 08:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

:* (as nom) Ok, that is a reasonable alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Hyderabad State Forces. bibliomaniac15 04:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Nizams Special Soldiers}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category contains one page on a military leader, one army, one community, and two neighbourhoods. It is not clear how this category is useful for navigation between related topics. – Fayenatic London 20:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Tessaracter (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• REname :Category:Hyderabad State Forces -- As an Indian prince, the Nizam was a sovereign and had his own army. During the British Raj he was not permitted to have foreign relations other than the British. Yes it is a mixture of things related to the state army, but there is just enough for a category. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Rename to {{Cl|Hyderabad State Forces}}, WP:C2D per Hyderabad State Forces which is the main article for the military of the Hyderabad princely state. Place Clichy (talk) 08:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• If kept and renamed, Venkatarama Reddy should be purged, as he was a commissioner of police. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep (first choice) or Rename to {{Cl|Hyderabad State Forces}}. At the very least the nom should have proposed a merge to : Category:Hyderabad State rather than just deletion! Johnbod (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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