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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 04:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:EM Lyon Business School to :Category:Emlyon Business School

:Nominator's rationale: Emlyon Business School. Confirmed [https://www.em-lyon.com/en/Contact-us by the school's website]. Fuddle (talk) 23:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment -- I am not sure the nom (and main article) are right. EM appears to stand for Early Maker and Lyon (eng. Lyons) is a French city, where it was founded. The logo puts em and lton on separate lines, so that it may not be one word. I not the web address is em-lyon, not emlyon, I suspect it is the main article that needs renaming! Peterkingiron (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per @Peterkingiron. The French-language article is at :fr:EM Lyon Business School, and the en.wp article should be renamed to match. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|House of Milan}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous House of Milan and one other article. The head article links to no existing pages which could be added to the category. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all to :Category:North Burnett Region. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:Propose merging:

:;2-page category

:* :Category:Didcot, Queensland to :Category:North Burnett Region

:* :Category:Eidsvold, Queensland to :Category:North Burnett Region

:* :Category:Humphery, Queensland to :Category:North Burnett Region

:* :Category:Ventnor, Queensland to :Category:North Burnett Region

:;3-page categories

:* :Category:Ideraway to :Category:North Burnett Region

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these categories for a small place in the North Burnett Region of Queensland are are tiny, with little chance of expansion. They all currently contain 2 or 3 pages: the head article plus one or two others. I haven't found any other articles to expand the categories.

:As with many New South Wales locations, category creation seems to have been a bit indiscriminate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 06:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:5th-century Kings of the Romans to :Category:5th-century monarchs in Europe

:Nominator's rationale: merge, completely unrelated to the Kings of the Romans in the Holy Roman Empire starting in the 10th century. This is a matter of :WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It reflects the main article King of the Romans. Dimadick (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* It is apparent from the main article that it is a case of :WP:SHAREDNAME, the article even starts with "This article is about the title in the Holy Roman Empire.". Moreover the 5th-century Roman king title of Syagrius is controversial and the common name of that kingdom is Kingdom of Soissons. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:*By convention of later historiography. The article notes that contemporary accounts mentions it as "Kingdom of the Romans". Dimadick (talk) 11:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

::* Yes, again, that is a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME. There is a gap of 500 years and neither the territory nor the circumstances are similar in any way. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Single-article category that is impossible to expand. DrKay (talk) 08:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete -- No need to merge as the one person is in target already. He was a Roman and a king in part of Gaul as the Roman Empire collapsed, but there is no scope for populating such a category better. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as ahistorical Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 06:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hoaxes by year}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hoaxes by decade}}

:Nominator's rationale: We have :Category:Hoaxes by century. If we are going to split up modern hoaxes into subcategories, those should be arranged under :Category:20th-century hoaxes and :Category:21st-century hoaxes. I propose deleting at least one of the two categories above, either leaving the by-year categories directly under the century categories, or dividing the last two century categories up into by-decade subcategories with the by-year categories under them. Srleffler (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. These are container categories, which should exist so long as there are categories to populate them.

:If Srleffler wants to delete or merge any of the by-year or-by-decade categories, they should nominate each of the relevant categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:*Container categories are fine, but the organization of them should make sense. Right now, :Category:Hoaxes contains all three of :Category:Hoaxes by century, :Category:Hoaxes by decade, and :Category:Hoaxes by year. That doesn't make sense. The top-level category should contain only the "by century" container. The existing "by decade" category can't be moved down into "by century" though, because it spans two centuries. :Category:20th-century hoaxes already contains subcategories by decade, and :Category:21st-century hoaxes contains subcategories by year and by decade (I'll probably fix that). The two categories I've nominated are kind of misnamed, they are really "Recent hoaxes by decade/year". :Category:Hoaxes by decade only goes back to the 1990s.--Srleffler (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:::*Not so, @Srleffler. The current organisation makes sense. Your proposal would remove that sense.

::::There are thousands of foo-by-year container categories, and no reason why this set should be the exception.

::::Hundreds of topics have by-year, by-decade, and by-century categories as siblings. Sometimes in topic category, sometimes grouped in a top-by-time category.

::::Given that your ideas of organising the categories breach convention and logic, it would be much more helpful if you would refrain from any "fix". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete any or all of these - a category scheme gone mad. But as Bhg says, we should start from the bottom & work up. Like most "by year" categories, these just serve to make finding things more difficult rather than easier. You won't find anything unless you know the exact year or are prepared to try several. I'm almost always ready to support deletion of very thinly-populated "by year" schemes btw, just give me a ping. Johnbod (talk) 19:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:*I did not propose deletion of the individual by-year categories, but I'm open to that. They are very thinly populated, and as you say they just make finding things more difficult.--Srleffler (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:*Johnbod, there may be a case for deleting the "YYYY hoaxes" categories, but this nomination won't delete any of them. It will just make them harder to find, by deleting their container category. Please review your support for this nomination, because this ill-conceived proposal will make the "YYYY hoaxes" categories harder to navigate if kept, and also harder to find if anyone wants to delete them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:: (to both) - yes you should definitely nom the "by year" categories. Johnbod (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Cleanup. I just did a a few AWB runs through these by-year and by-decade hoax categories. All are now correctly parented, and all have 2-layer navigation bars, using {{tl|Navseasoncats with decades below year}} or {{tl|Navseasoncats with centuries below decade}}.
  (BTW I screwed up a few edit summaries along the way. Sorry about that). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Close and start fresh other nomination, the intention behind this nomination is good but the execution of the nomination misses the point, per above comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Marcocapelle, the intention behind this nomination has been fulfilled. The nominator's goals was that the "YYYY hoaxes" and "YYY0s hoaxes" {{tq|1=should be arranged under :Category:20th-century hoaxes and :Category:21st-century hoaxes|q=y}}. My AWB run has done that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The current format makes navigation much easier than a century category on its own. Dimadick (talk) 07:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - the set-up is exactly as it should be. Oculi (talk) 08:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
• Alternative solution -- For most years before 2000 there are not enough articles for viable annual categories. These should be merged into :Category:Hoaxes in 1980s etc. We should thus keep :Category:Hoaxes by decade and delete "hoaxes by year" and "hoaxes by century". Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Peterkingiron, that would require a new nomination. None of the "YYYY hoaxes" categories are listed in this nomination. This is just a perverse proposal to remove their container category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose hoaxes occur, and like things that occur we sort them by year and decade, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Interlopers to :Category:Interlopers (business)

:Nominator's rationale: disambiguation, per head article Interloper (business). This category is for businesspeople who disrupted monopolies. The bare title Interlopers is a redirect to a dab page, after I moved the novel to Interlopers (novel). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support, Leutha (talk) 17:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom, but deletion is also possible per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Marcocapelle, it seems to be fairly defining for those who challenged the East India Company. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jamini Roy}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This is an eponymous category for the Indian painter Jamini Roy. It contains only the head article and one fair-use images. Both pages are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:F.C. Ararat Tehran players. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Ararat Tehran players to :Category:F.C. Ararat Tehran players

:Nominator's rationale: To match parent article F.C. Ararat Tehran Joseph2302 (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy support per CFDS C2D, match parent article. GiantSnowman 12:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jeremy Renner}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This is an eponymous category for the actor Jeremy Renner. It contains only the head article and an image subcategory. Both pages are already adequately categorised. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 04:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Jerusalem Day to :Category:Culture of Jerusalem

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This is an eponymous category for Jerusalem Day. It contains only the head article and two images. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Barys Nur-Sultan players. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barys Astana players to :Category:Barys players

:Nominator's rationale: The current category name "Barys Astana" is the former name of the ice hockey team Barys Nur-Sultan, which was changed in 2019. The category name "Barys players" covers all players that have appeared for the club past and present. Triggerbit (talk) 13:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Barys" is ambiguous. @Triggerbit, please see the dab page Barys. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

::If it's too ambiguous can change to :Category:Barys Nur-Sultan players Triggerbit (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• (new !vote) Rename to :Category:Barys Nur-Sultan players, per discussion above. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 06:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Indian Unicorns to :Category:Unicorn companies of India

:Nominator's rationale: The current name is not clear. The relevant article is Unicorn (finance) but it would not be helpful to put "(finance)" into the category name as these are not finance companies. – Fayenatic London 10:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Alternatively, editors might support deletion since unicorn status may be temporary. There is a list at List of unicorn startup companies with a sortable table by country. – Fayenatic London 10:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as non-defining (or rename per nom). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as non-defining. This is a transient status, based on a WP:ARBITRARYCAT criteria. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete unicorn today, bankrupt tomorrow. easy come easy go. A company's market capitalization at a particular point is not defining and the choice of the amount is purely subjective. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 06:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Children of Pharaoh's daughter}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category and zero possibility for expansion. The category was nominated for speedy renaming - if the category is not deleted the renaming should go ahead.

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• :Category:Children of Pharaoh's daughter to :Category:Children of Pharaoh's daughter (Exodus) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

:::Oppose - Ridiculous - a clear Delete per WP:SMALLCAT & heaven knows what else. Gonnym, do a proper CfD please. Johnbod (talk) 18:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

::::I was fixing the name and not interested in doing anything else, especially not CfD. If you want to, do it. Don't make other people do it. Gonnym (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

:::::@Johnbod, I have to agree with Gonnym here. Create the deletion nomination if you want to, but otherwise let the renaming proceed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Gonnym|Johnbod|BrownHairedGirl}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination, not useful. – Fayenatic London 10:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination, thanks for doing this, Marcocapelle. Silly category - we don't even know her name or identity, so no other children can be identified. I thought this category might be a joke until I saw who created it. Johnbod (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete More of Dimadick's cruft.★Trekker (talk) 16:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per above. DrKay (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Uranium mining in Western Australia. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Uranium in Western Australia to :Category:Uranium mining in Western Australia

:Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category are all about the policy debate on whether or not to mine Uranium in Western Australia. The only parent category :Category:Uranium in Western Australia, so I see no purpose to this WP:SMALLCAT, which contains only two articles: the eponymous Uranium in Western Australia and one other. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

::PS If this category is kept, then the hierarchy should be inverted. :Category:Uranium mining in Western Australia should be a subcat of this one, not a parent. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:::I think you meant that "Uranium mining in WA" should be the subcat. – Fayenatic London

::::Thanks, @Fayenatic. Now corrected. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge, also because we do not have any other "Uranium in" categories. When related to a location, it is always about mining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge, while its a complex topic between mining and political issues the available articles when consider one is already in both categories and the other is just about recent events,there definitely a lot more potential to expand this area. For now it makes sense to collate them in category. Gnangarra 06:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge as not useful for navigation; both members do fit within the target. – Fayenatic London 11:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Television schedules. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:TV listings to :Category:Television schedules

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous articce TV listings and one fair-use image. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Indian comics. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Tulsi Comics to :Category:Indian comics

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Tulsi Comics and a redirect to that page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 06:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

: Propose merging

:* :Category:Towton to :Category:Civil parishes in North Yorkshire and :Category:Selby District

:** :Category:Grade II listed buildings in Towton to :Category:Grade II listed buildings in North Yorkshire and :Category:Selby District

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. These two categories together contain only two articles: Towton and Towton Hall, Towton (North Yorkshire). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Three articles now, but still a viable merge. Grutness...wha? 04:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Neighborhoods in Syracuse, New York. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Tipperary Hill to :Category:Neighborhoods in Syracuse, New York

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Tipperary Hill and one image which is a candidate to be copied to Wikimedia Commons. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Janet Morris. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:The Sacred Band of Stepsons to :Category:Janet Morris

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous The Sacred Band of Stepsons and two images. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support - long overdue. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Microscopy. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Thermomicroscopy to :Category:Microscopy

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous article :Thermomicroscopy and one other article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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