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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Super Hits}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. A collection of compilation albums called "Super Hits", whose shared attribute is the name. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This (and other artist compilations that have identical titles) aren't really a series like Time-Life, Rhino, or NOW! have released. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom; WP:SHAREDNAME. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sterilization to :Category:Sterilization (medicine)

:Nominator's rationale: per the head article Sterilization (medicine), and to disambiguate it from the :Category:Sterilization (microbiology) (article Sterilization (microbiology)).
These two topics are related, but distinct:

:# Sterilization (medicine) is about rendering mammals (esp humans) incapable of reproduction

:# Sterilization (microbiology) is about cleanliness through removing micro-organisms

:The bare title :Category:Sterilization should be re-created as a {{Tl|Category disambiguation}} page, and Sterilization (microbiology) should not be a subcat of :Category:Sterilization (medicine). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Rename to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 02:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Spectre to :Category:Spectre (2015 film)

:Nominator's rationale: per head article Spectre (2015 film).
... but preferably delete per WP:SMALLCAT: only three pages, and little chance of expansion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT but add the eponymous article to :Category:James Bond films. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 06:07, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Footballers from Zierikzee to :Category:Footballers from Schouwen-Duiveland

:Nominator's rationale: Such categories are best organized by the current municipality gidonb (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Not disagreeing, but preferably the nomination should also include merging :Category:Sportspeople from Zierikzee to :Category:Sportspeople from Schouwen-Duiveland. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

::Marcocapelle, I had thought about that but prefer to allow the broadest people subcategories such as sportspeople, politicians, writers, musicians, given sufficient (5+) articles. The next level we should really leave for the municipalities. So basically my suggestion here is upmerge to Sportspeople from Zierikzee and rename to Footballers from Schouwen-Duiveland. gidonb (talk) 05:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 13:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - the nomination is not true, we often categorise footballers by local level (such as city or town) rather than region - see e.g. long established {{cat|Footballers by city or town in England}}. GiantSnowman 13:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

:* This actually is local level, because the target is a municipality. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

::*Correct, Schouwen-Duiveland is absolutely at the local level! {{ping|GiantSnowman}} You raised {{cat|Footballers by city or town in England}}. The Dutch equivalent and parent category of the CfDd is {{cat|Footballers by city or town in the Netherlands}}. If you open it, you'll notice that all subcategories are by municipality, with the sad exception of {{cat|Footballers from Zierikzee}}. It sticks out like a sore thumb! This is actually what drove me to suggest the rename. Now Zierikzee isn't in England but, as the one who referred to {{cat|Footballers by city or town in England}}, could you please point out if any of the subcategories is from a place smaller than a municipality? gidonb (talk) 02:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

::*{{ping|GiantSnowman}} pinging again. I understand that {{cat|Footballers by city or town in England}} should support the keeping of footballers categories for places smaller than municipalities. GiantSnowman, could you please point out which locales in there, if any, are smaller than municipalities? gidonb (talk) 00:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

:::Your pings don't work, you need to @ me in the same edit you sign. GiantSnowman 12:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

::::Giant, ok so what is the answer? gidonb (talk) 14:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::Zierikzee is within (and therefore smaller than) Schouwen-Duiveland - so why are you wanting to move this? GiantSnowman 16:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::Because all other Dutch footballer categories are by municipalities or larger. Never smaller! Zierikzee sticks out like a sore thumb. Is this different in England? gidonb (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, we categorise locally, as we should for the Dutch. See {{cat|Footballers by city or town}}. GiantSnowman 17:31, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::Giant, you're constantly dodging my question after raising the England example that also supports my RM, while referring to a need to categorize "local", which is exactly what Schouwen-Duiveland would do. gidonb (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::No, I'm not. You want to move this category from a town to a (larger) municipality, don't you? I said it is common and useful to categorise at smaller town-level, and showed the precedent for that. Why/how on earth do you think that many other categories that categorise by town is supporting your attempt to move away from that??? GiantSnowman 10:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::There are plenty of towns with such categories but not towns smaller than municipalities. Your position is unprecedented for the Netherlands and, as you pointed out yourself, also for England. gidonb (talk) 05:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::Eh? A town is, by definition, smaller than a municipality, and my example from England (and elsewhere) support my position ie opposing the move. Why should the Netherlands be different to how we categorise elsewhere? GiantSnowman 16:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

::Many towns are also municipalities. The smaller towns belong to municipalities with several towns. Zierikzee for example. This shouldn't be so complicated. Neither in England, nor in Holland, do we have such categories for the smallest of towns. gidonb (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 02:32, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Nintendo Switch eShop games to :Category:Nintendo Switch games

:Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining characteristic, to the point where the only Nintendo Switch games that to my knowledge aren't on the eShop are ones that have gotten delisted (ie the new Cooking Mama game, which had legal issues). Things were different on older Nintendo consoles – the 3DS eshop was not available when that console launched, so there were some games that weren't available digitally, and the Wii had little overlap between digital and physical releases – but for the Switch the rule of thumb is that games are available digitally, and some are also released physically when that is deemed commercially viable. Alexandra^IDV 15:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

::*Indeed, merge - I wouldn't be against such a category if they suddenly started to bring out physical only games (although, that would be the more defining characteristic), or if we had a cat for "eshop exclusive games". As it is, it's just the same as the other category with some items missing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

:*Merge eShop is just a storefront, and we generally do not track storefronts. We do track games by platform which is a defining feature. --Masem (t) 17:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

:*Keep, but only allow games for :Category:Nintendo Switch eShop games if they are exclusive to the eShop and make :Category:Nintendo Switch games it's parent. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

:*Merge: Don't need to list games for storefronts. OceanHok (talk) 17:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Merge - per Alexandra and Masem. Sergecross73 msg me 18:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge. Appearance on storefront is not a "defining" trait. Surprised it lasted this long. (not watching, please {{tl|ping}}) czar 22:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Merge: Merging is a good thing, because when two or more pages combine into one, we get more stuff. Iias!:postb□xI 23:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Merge and do the same for the Wii and 3DS ones too. We don't have :Category:Windows Steam games do we? Being digital-only still makes it a Switch game, its manner of distribution isn't a defining trait (at least nowadays, 10 years ago it probably was). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I was wondering should the scope be limited to just games that can only be bought on the e-shop (e-shop exclusives)? However I do also agree with the merge.

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Buildings made with chain-link fences to :Category:Buildings and structures made with chain-link fences

:Nominator's rationale: Or :Category:Buildings and structures made of chain-link fences. Or WP:SMALLCAT. Fuddle (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Only one article, and no chance of expansion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete From the sole member, Gehry Residence: {{tqi|It makes use of unconventional materials, such as chain-link fences and corrugated steel.}} (emphasis added) The other plausible meaning, "Buildings with chain-link fences", is so common as to be WP:TRIVIALCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Road Trip}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only two articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom per WP:SMALLCAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

: Propose renaming

:* :Category:Portsea to :Category:Portsea, Portsmouth

:* :Category:People from Portsea to :Category:People from Portsea, Portsmouth

:Nominator's rationale: Portsea is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support but could probably be renamed per C2B (Disambiguation fixes) anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Rename to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Overwatch}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category redirect from an ambiguous title: Overwatch is a dab page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete, pointless redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Procedural comment Category redirects belong at WP:RFD, not CFD. Nonetheless, I agree that this should be deleted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Open Audio License files. MER-C 15:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:OAL to :Category:Open Audio License

:Nominator's rationale: The abbreviation OAL is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Alt rename to :Category:Open Audio License files per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• I agree with Marcocapelle. That ALT proposal is better. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Nanyang}}

:Nominator's rationale: Pointless duplicate of its subcat :Category:Nanyang, Henan, which correctly named after the head article Nanyang, Henan.
Its only content now is the subcat :Category:Nanyang, Henan, after I moved 7 articles to the subcat in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl&offset=202006240414&limit=7&target=BrownHairedGirl these edits].
Note that I have checked the parenting of :Category:Nanyang, Henan, and AFIACS no adjustments will be needed after this deletion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Morris family to :Category:Morris family (Morrisania and New Jersey)

:Nominator's rationale: The current title Morris family is a disambiguation page. There is no head article, but the hatnote in the category says that this Morris family is listed at List of United States political families_(M)#The_Morrises_of_Morrisania_and_New_Jersey ... so "Morrisania and New Jersey" seems to be he appropriate disambiguator. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Rename to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Marbot}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category is ambiguously-named (see the dab page Marbot), and it's also pointless. It contains only :Category:Marbot family ad the article :Marbot family, which is already in its eponymous category. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. bibliomaniac15 02:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Israeli writers by language}}

:Nominator's rationale: Seems unnecessary. This only contains one (very small) category, which could easily become a direct subcategory of its parents. The only other countries we have similar categories for are multilingual ones (India and Pakistan) Grutness...wha? 01:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Israeli Arab writers, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Not too keen on that merge - just because someone writes in Arabic, it doesn't necessarily make them Arab. Grutness...wha? 03:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
• Ok, then at least merge to :Category:Israeli writers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
• Merge with {{lc|Israeli Arabic writers}} and rename the merged category as :Category:Israeli Arabic-language writers It clarifies that this is not an ethnic category, but a language one. While Arabic/Arab/Arabian do have distinct meanings and ought not need clarifications, experience shows editors confuse these. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Agree with the rename of the subcategory, I'll tag that category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

::*Sounds good to me - thanks folks. Grutness...wha? 03:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 02:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Maharajganj to :Category:Cities and towns in Maharajganj district

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT: only one article, no sign of expansion prospects (see its lone article Mahrajganj, Uttar Pradesh).
The category is also misconstructed: it is named after the disambiguation page Mahrajganj, but claims that its main article is Mahrajganj District. However, there is already a :Category:Maharajganj district, so that's a bit silly. It's a subcat of :Category:Cities and towns in Maharajganj district, so the main article should be the town Mahrajganj, Uttar Pradesh, but since there's nothing else to populate a category named after the town, the whole thing is pointless. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep I have populated a few articles. Shyamsunder (talk) 13:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Remove biography and move the other article to :Category:Maharajganj district. WP:SMALLCAT still applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Polish mobsters to :Category:Polish criminals

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:SMALLCAT as part of an established series: :Category:Mobsters by nationality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per BrownHairedGirl Shaolin Punk (talk) 10:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename or delete as indicated. MER-C 15:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

: Propose renaming:

:* :Category:Loudonville to :Category:Loudonville, New York

: Propose deleting:

:* :Category:Lacrosse in Loudonville

:* :Category:Sports in Loudonville

:* :Category:Economy of Loudonville

:Nominator's rationale: This is a bit of a mess, which I think can be best fixed in one nomination.

::Category:Loudonville is misnamed. :Loudonville is a dab page, so it should be renamed to match its head article :Loudonville, New York.

:The three subcategories contain between them only one item: :Category:Siena Saints men's lacrosse, which is now already categorised under Loundonville since I added[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASiena_College&type=revision&diff=964172375&oldid=802450376] :Category:Siena College to :Category:Loudonville. That leaves the three subcats redundant.

:Deleting the three subcats leaves :Category:Loudonville with only two pages, but the article :Loudonville, New York shows enough scope for expansion to make the category worth keeping. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support largely per nom to avoid confusion with Loudonville, Ohio, the three latter categories are largely redundant and unnessesary. A question though, would articles such as Springwood Manor and Whitney Mansion belong in the main category? Inter&anthro (talk) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

::@Inter&anthro: I reckon the answer is yes, so I have just added them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

• Rename/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support - per nom. Oculi (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support renaming first as more convenient and delete the three categories as redundant. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 06:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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