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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Births in Baranagar to :Category:People from Baranagar

:Nominator's rationale: We don't categorise people by location of birth, which is WP:NONDEF attribute, but only by notable association (see WP:COP).
This is the only category of birth by location. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Effectively means People from Baranagar. Brandmeister^talk 22:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Merge per nom; we've settled on "from" and presumably anyone born somewhere is "from" there (regardless of how transitory one's stay there may be). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Women architects who own/owned a firm}}

:Nominator's rationale: another cat exists :Category:Women architects who own a firm. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 21:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete both :Category:Women architects who own/owned a firm and :Category:Women architects who own a firm. There is no general category for architects by ownership, and any such category would be unworkable because of its fuzziness: the title could describe sole ownership, or partnership, or being a sole trader.

:This category is part of an odd set of bad categorisations done in the last few days by various new editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete both :Category:Women architects who own/owned a firm and :Category:Women architects who own a firm - per BHG. Oculi (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete both, as BrownHairedGirl says, these are 'fuzzy' to say the least, an obscure intersection of 'women'. 'archiects' and 'company owner' (does ths mean director, shareholder, sole owner...?). Sionk (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete both. Undefined. Architects used to work in partnerships like lawyers, so all of them could be said to be owners. Rathfelder (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|LGBT nurses}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS: This is a seemingly arbitrary combination. LGBT status has no bearing on working as a nurse or vice versa. Cheers, gnu57 20:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom, though relevant in a sexual roleplay one may admit. Brandmeister^talk 20:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep - It might have bearing on someone. Can the nom provide evidence to the contrary? Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• @Me-123567-Me: The guidelines at WP:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#Special_subcategories sets out the criteria for such categories. The onus is on the advocates of keeping the category to make a positive case that it meets the criteria. It is not the responsibility of anyone to prove a negative. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Simple scientific method applies. Me-123567-Me's suggestion is that we prove the null hypothesis. Grutness...wha? 02:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, unless someone can provide evidence that the intersection of nursing and LBT status meets the test set in WP:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#Special_subcategories, which begins:

::::"Dedicated group-subject subcategories, such as :Category:LGBT writers or :Category:African-American musicians, should be created only where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right. If a substantial and encyclopedic head article (not just a list) cannot be written for such a category, then the category should not be created. Please note that this does not mean that the head article must already exist before a category can be created, but that it must at least be possible to create one."

:It's easy to create such intersection categories, but unless we apply the criteria these intersection cats will proliferate and cause clutter. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:OCEGRS, no evidence in either of the article that their sexuality was related to their work as a nurse. For a relevant category see :Category:LGBT writers or :Category:LGBT musicians. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
• There are plenty of gay male nurses, at least in England, but its not defining and I've never seen any public discussion of it. I dont think it meets the test. Rathfelder (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete no evidence that LGBT nurses do anything differently than other nurses. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:American LGBT-related animated web series to :Category:LGBT-related animated web series

:Nominator's rationale: With very few non-American equivalents to categorize as such yet, LGBT-related animated web series do not need to be subcategorized by nationality -- and with just eight articles here, neither {{cl|American LGBT-related web series}} nor {{cl|American animated web series}} have any pressing need to be crosscategorized for the intersection either. Note that the articles should also be upmerged to those parent categories. Bearcat (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Rename per nom.— TAnthony^Talk 19:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, this would incorrectly remove the articles from the tree of :Category:American LGBT-related web series and :Category:American animated web series. If there are articles about non-American LGBT-related animated web series, :Category:LGBT-related animated web series should be created as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::Note that my nomination statement expressly said "Note that the articles should also be upmerged to those parent categories", which means deleting this would not remove this from any categories. Bearcat (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::* Apologies, I missed that part. Still we might wait with this move until articles about non-American LGBT-related animated web series require the creation of :Category:LGBT-related animated web series. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge the articles (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Dungeons & Dragons planes of existence to :Category:Dungeons & Dragons locations

:Nominator's rationale: Only two articles. The categories aren't actually particularly relevant because they're general categories on the campaign settings of D&D rather than lists of locations. The "Dungeons & Dragons extraplanar creatures‎" wouldn't be relevant to the locations either. Also upmerge to "Fictional dimensions." TTN (talk) 18:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Upmerge for now with no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 or so articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: selectively merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Dungeons & Dragons planets to :Category:Dungeons & Dragons locations

:Nominator's rationale: Only Abeir-Toril and World of Eberron are articles directly about the fictional worlds, so this only has two relevant articles. Also upmerge those two to "Fictional planets." TTN (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Dual Upmerge for now, with no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 or so planets. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Men fighting over women}}

:Nominator's rationale: Bizarre category, WP:NONDEFINING. Brandmeister^talk 18:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Oculi (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy rename, which has already been implemented. Next time please add something like this to the list of nominations for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by continent to :Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by continent

:* Propose renaming :Category:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by country and territory to :Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:Containment efforts related to the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Containment efforts related to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:Organizations associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Organizations associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:People associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:People associated with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:Ships involved in the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Ships involved in the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:* Propose renaming :Category:Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to :Category:Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

:Nominator's rationale: —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 18:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per nom and recent name change of related page 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Is this really necesssary for something so simple? Jalen Folf (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• I would close this right now as uncontroversial move and have already done some of the edits as most of the categories were tagged as a redirect. But running out of time now. Will carry on tomorow, unless someone else closes. Agathoclea (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Speedy rename, SNOW after renaming all the other articles. :Category:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by continent has several subcategories (and sub-subcategories) that need moving, too. --mfb (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. – Fayenatic London 22:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Harare Polytechnic alumni to :Category:Alumni of Harare Polytechnic

:Nominator's rationale: The categories are the same. Coyets (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Reverse merge. The convention of :Category:Alumni by university or college in Zimbabwe is "Foo alumni". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Reverse merge as :Category:Alumni by university or college in Zimbabwe uses 'XXX alumni' in all other cases (as does the larger :Category:Alumni by university or college in South Africa). Oculi (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I have informed the editor who created the category Alumni of Harare Polytechnic by writing an appropriate comment on their talk page in case they may want to add to this discussion. Coyets (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support per the UK and Ireland standard. Plus it is plainer English. Plus it allows for convenient geographic disambiguation if needed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
• @Laurel Lodged offers no reason for making Harare Polytechnic an exception to the naming convention used in :Category:Alumni by university or college in Zimbabwe. If LL or any other editor wants to change the naming convention for alumni in a particular country, then they should do a group nomination for all alumni categories in the country .... and explain why Zimbabwe should be an exception to the rest of Africa.

::LL has been participating in CFD for long enough to know very well that consistency is a key principle of category naming. This attempt to use yet another discussion to try to break a convention for no stated reason is WP:Tendentious editing. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

:::I'd be grateful to BHG if she could clarify the terms of her personal accusation: please specify which convention am I trying to break, the Indian convention, the American convention or the UK/Irish convention? Having done that, it would be useful for this and other discussions if BHG could go on to explain why the convention that is about to be broken has claims to universal standards, as opposed to local usage. Lastly, having identified the universal wiki standard convention, what proposals does BHG advance for remedying the non conforming tree structures? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

: Propose merging:

:* :Category:Fiction set in the 930s to :Category:Fiction set in the 10th century

:** :Category:Fiction set in 932 to :Category:Fiction set in the 10th century

:** :Category:Fiction set in 935 to :Category:Fiction set in the 10th century

:* :Category:Films set in the 930s to :Category:Films set in the 10th century

:** :Category:Films set in 932 to :Category:Films set in the 10th century

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT: small, with little or potential for growth.

:These are the only by-year and by-decade categories in each of their sets for periods before 1000 AD. That is the usual cut-off point for by-year and by-decade categories, and I don't see any reason to make fictional settings an exception.

:Note that I spotted these when I converted the fiction category header templates to a parameterless format. This caused {{tl|Fiction set in year category}} and {{tl|Fiction set in year category}} to break on these categories, because the templates expect a 4-digit year/decade. I could modify the templates to accept 3-digit years/decades (albeit at the cost of some added complexity), but it seems to me that a better solution is to follow the principle adopted at numerous CFDs over the last few years (mostly proposed by @Marcocapelle) to avoid a collection of WP:SMALLCATs for these early periods, by consolidating the entries into by-century categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Note to closer: If the consensus is to keep either by-year or by-decade categories, please notify me. I will then modify the category header templates to support 3-digit years. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support - given the sad dearth of films and fiction set in the 10th century the nom seems to be on firm ground. :Category:Works set in the 930s could be added (as it will be emptied by the nom). Oculi (talk) 13:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support -- WE are unlikely to get enough content to need anything so specific. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) to :Category:BTS

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) albums‎ to :Category:BTS albums‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) EPs to :Category:BTS EPs

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) concert tours‎ to :Category:BTS concert tours‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) members‎ to :Category:BTS members‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:BTS (band) songs‎ to :Category:BTS songs‎

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TOPICCAT, the category name should match the article name. BTS (band) was recently moved to BTS following a requested moved. Despite the long list at BTS (disambiguation), the official names of those entries is not "BTS", it is simply the abbreviated form of their official names. In actuality, only three pages in the disambiguation page contain "BTS": BTS Group, BTS Group Holdings, and BTS Skytrain. In addition to only being partial page title matches, is it not realistic to expect readers to search for albums, songs, concert tours, etc., from a consulting firm, a public company, or a transit system. Practices suggest we do not preemptively disambiguate categories if the main article in question is the clear primary topic. We have Michael Jackson and :Category:Michael Jackson, not :Category:Michael Jackson (American singer) despite the existence of Michael Jackson (English singer) and several other notable Michael Jacksons. Precedence suggests the opposite – when the article for Adele (singer) was moved to Adele, :Category:Adele (singer) and its subcategories were moved to :Category:Adele without the parenthetical disambiguation as a result of a 2015 CFD, even in light of both Adele (disambiguation) and 80 or so people with the give name Adele. BTS has one clear topic that is quite evident from search trends and the aforementioned page move, which becomes even more conspicuous in category names. ƏXPLICIT 02:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{small|Note: I have left a notification (diff) of this discussion on the BTS talk page. ƏXPLICIT 02:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)}}

• Rename per nom. Sawol (talk) 04:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nomination. --Chiya^ko92 09:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. I would agree with the nom that others in BTS (disambiguation) are unlikely to produce albums or undertake concert tours. Categories [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=intitle%3ABTS&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22intitle%22%3A%22BTS%22%7D%7D&ns14=1 including BTS] in their title seem to be either those listed above or {{cl|BTS Skytrain}} and its subcats. It is also unlikely that a rival to the unadorned acronym will emerge in the near future. (I myself have never heard of BTS.) Oculi (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support rename as per nom. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 01:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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