Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 21

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 20:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Countries involved in the Silk Road}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category, per WP:DEFCAT. I found this on Italy, in which the text and even the sub-article History of Italy make no explicit mention of the Silk Road. I can't imagine a full article about any country having any more than a paragraph on the Silk Road. I won't check each article, but out of spot checks, there's no mention of the Silk Road on Brunei or Kenya. I am not a historian, but Wikipedia's map of the Silk Road shows many other countries than those in the category, and they could be just for transit or major hubs for all the category is worth. I was astonished that Uzbekistan, a country even I know grew rich off its Central Asian position in the Silk Road, is not so categorised. Wallachia Wallonia (talk) 18:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• (If kept) heavily purge -- The Silk Road was a medieval trade route between China and Europe, though it probably had more than one strand. It might be appropriate to have categories for countries along it, though it ought to be for contemporary (rather than modern) polities. Those along the sea-born route that replaced it (involving European East India Companies) were not on the silk road and should not be in the cat. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NONDEF; polities differed when the Silk Road mattered. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (Talk) 20:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Ashburton (1782) to :Category:Barons Ashburton (1782 creation)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Ashburton (1835) to :Category:Barons Ashburton (1835 creation)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Stafford (1299) to :Category:Barons Stafford (1299 creation)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Stafford (1371) to :Category:Barons Stafford (1371 creation)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Stafford (1547) to :Category:Barons Stafford (1547 creation)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Barons Stafford (1640) to :Category:Barons Stafford (1640 creation)

:Nominator's rationale: While most realize what the year means, I think the names can be clearer. There are more similar categories, but I'm trying these as a test balloon to minimize editing. They will be added later if these go through. HandsomeFella (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support A clearer name may avoid miscategorizations. Dimadick (talk) 07:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename. Good examples of why category names need to be clearer sometimes; the year alone is perfectly good disambiguation for these barons, but I can envision "creation" simplifying things for the categories, as uninformed editors might think that the Xth Baron doesn't fit in the 1371 category because he didn't inherit the title until a couple of decades later. Nyttend (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete all -- This is a good reason why we should not have categories on holders of specific titles. The means of accessing articles by title that I have always used is via list articles, which place the holders in chronological order with links to related lists and brief details of notable achievements. This is giving us a mass of categories most of which have very few articles in them. I might have voted to merge, but I do not think that is the answer as it will not help one work out which "Henry Lord Stafford" is which, whereas the list article does. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge both. – Fayenatic London 09:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Scottish women scientists by field to :Category:Scottish women scientists

:Nominator's rationale: Only content is :Category:Scottish women geologists. Unnecessary intermediate category - I dont see any similar. Rathfelder (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support - and the same with {{cl|English women scientists by field}}. No other countries have a "by field" container, and given the relatively small number of subcats, even for the largest of Fooian women scientists categories, it seems like an unnecessary layer. Grutness...wha? 22:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• I have also tagged {{cl|English women scientists by field}}. Support upmerging both. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support upmerging both. Oculi (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
• Upmerge both -- There is scope for populating this better, as there is also :Category:Scottish women physicists, but that can easy be place in the target, w3ithout the "by field" layer. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete do women scientists do science differently than men scientists? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

:* That is an interesting point, but goes well beyond the scope of this nomination. It would require discussing :Category:Women scientists. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 21:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Magazines by interest to :Category:Magazines by content

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers by interest to :Category:Newspapers by content

:* Propose merging :Category:Publications by interest to :Category:Publications by topic

:* Propose merging :Category:Television by interest to :Category:Television genres

:* Propose merging :Category:Mass media by interest to :Category:Mass media by topic

:Nominator's rationale: merge, as it is difficult to see how the scope of every pair of categories differs from each other. For Wiki-historians it may be interesting to know that these categories were created by Stefanomione. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comments - some of Stefanomione's eternal rocks in the ephemeral stream. The first pair are different: by interest indicates the audience (eg Women's magazines - magazines for women) and by content indicates the topic (eg Automobile magazines - magazines about cars). So I don't think a merge either way would work. I think Stefanomione probably grasped the subtleties involved in these but others don't and so the actual contents might well differ from what Stefanomione had in mind. I have no idea what the difference might be between 'by topic', 'by content' and 'by genre' (or 'genres'). Exit, mind spinning, parameters and paradigms just round the corner ... Oculi (talk) 14:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• Whatever the intention, if the words are ambiguous they wont work. Rathfelder (talk) 16:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• comments This nomination is incomplete. Nomination does not provide any justification as to why the suggested names are the better choice of the two existing names. I suggest each change be handled/discussed separately. It also does not state what is to be done with the subcategories, such as :Category:Magazines by interest and country (and all its subcats). Hmains (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 20:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Books by interest}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, the two subcategories are already in :Category:Books by genre and that seems to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - yes, straightforward. Oculi (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:History of local government in London (pre-1855). – Fayenatic London 21:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:History of local government in London (early) to :Category:Early history of local government in London

:Nominator's rationale: This is simply an unusual name format. "Early" is a simple adjective, so it's fine at the start of the phrase, even though other categories in the tree wouldn't be good that way, e.g. :Category:History of local government in London (1889–1965) should not become "1889–1965 history of local government in London". Another option is :Category:Pre-1855 history of local government in London. This category says "Early history (before circa 1855) of local government in the current area of Greater London, England", and 19th-century London says that the 1855 creation of the Metropolitan Board of Works was London's first metropolitan government body, so I'm guessing that's why the 1855 date was chosen. Nyttend (talk) 11:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Alt rename to :Category:History of local government in London (–1855), aligning with the sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:*Is that a normal name format for pre-XXXX categories? If it is, no objection; it just sounds rather odd, and I don't remember encountering such a form in category or article names. Nyttend (talk) 12:22, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Alt rename 2 to :Category:History of local government in London (pre-1855) - 'pre-' is certainly [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns14=1&search=intitle%3A%22+pre-%22&advancedSearch-current={%22fields%22:{%22intitle%22:%22%20pre-%22}} in use] in category names. ('Early' is very vague.) Oculi (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:* That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

: A date is much more helpful than "early". Rathfelder (talk) 16:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support alt 2 -- I had to look quite hard to accept that 1855 was a robust boundary, as many of the subsidiary authorities started at quite different dates: Poor Law Unions (established in 1830s) became rural districts, with some parishes becoming urban districts later. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 19:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Indian Soldiers with Shrines}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Rename if kept; there's definitely no reason to capitalise "Shrines". Nyttend (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• :No need to capitalize "Soldiers" either. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Clicking through the two articles, it didn't seem particularly defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Not merged Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in the United Arab Emirates to :Category:Health disasters in the United Arab Emirates

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Togo to :Category:Disasters in Togo and :Category:Health in Togo

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Trinidad and Tobago to :Category:Disasters in Trinidad and Tobago and :Category:Health in Trinidad and Tobago

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Tunisia to :Category:Disasters in Tunisia and :Category:Health in Tunisia

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Turkey to :Category:Health disasters in Turkey

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Ukraine to :Category:Disasters in Ukraine and :Category:Health in Ukraine

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Uruguay to :Category:Disasters in Uruguay and :Category:Health in Uruguay

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Uzbekistan to :Category:Health disasters in Uzbekistan

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Vatican City to :Category:Disasters in Vatican City and :Category:Health in Vatican City

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Venezuela to :Category:Disasters in Venezuela and :Category:Health in Venezuela

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Vietnam to :Category:Health disasters in Vietnam

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Zambia to :Category:Health disasters in Zambia

:* Propose merging :Category:Medical outbreaks in Zimbabwe to :Category:Health disasters in Zimbabwe

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:Nominator's rationale: merge, after renaming all Corona "outbreak" articles to Corona "pandemic", this outbreak tree has become redundant. Only the American and British categories have been excluded from the nomination, since they do contain a number of outbreak articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• A medical outbreak doesn't have to be a disaster and a disaster doesn't have to be a medical outbreak. UK and US demonstrate this. These country categories are usually treated as systematic group, if the US and the UK have categories then why shouldn't other countries have them, too? The categories are not empty either. --mfb (talk) 02:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:* The categories should be emptied after all Corona "outbreak" articles have been renamed to Corona "pandemic", and the Corona pandemic articles do belong in the health disaster parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:::Outbreak is the more general term, in a pandemic the whole world (more or less) has outbreaks. How is it not a health disaster? This is a WP:SNOW candidate, but just to be clear: I oppose the proposal, too. --mfb (talk) 07:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The Coronavirus is not the only outbreak to have affected the world, and these categories have potential for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 07:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:* Potential for expansion? If there isn't even no longer a corona outbreak article, then which other articles would you expect to fit for example :Category:Medical outbreaks in Zimbabwe? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:** 2008 Zimbabwean cholera outbreak, for example. 94.178.235.125 (talk) 08:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:::* Wow! So we have one article of an outbreak of 12 years ago. So the next article may come perhaps in another 12 years. Yes this great potential for expansion... Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose A pandemic is, by definition, an outbreak. Just a really big one. Don't see an issue in including a sub-pandemic within a country as part of a list of disease outbreaks in that country. Juxlos (talk) 13:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Juxlos. The fact that several coronavirus outbreaks turned into one big epidemic does not stop the individual outbreaks being outbreaks. Also some outbreaks are not disasters. This proposal is more a solution looking for a problem, rather than to other way around. Agathoclea (talk) 14:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• But while we are looking at these we should apply Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 May 7#Category:Medical outbreaks Agathoclea (talk) 14:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - per the above. An epidemic or pandemic is an outbreak. This is the opposite of WP:Shared name - something can be an outbreak without its Wikipedia title including the word. And medical should be changed to 'disease' throughout per the parent {{cl|Disease outbreaks}} per Agathoclea above. Oculi (talk) 14:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
• Rename all to :Category:Disease outbreaks in Foo, per parent cat and previous above-linked discussion. The things that erupt in outbreaks are diseases, not medical stuff. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Pandemic still is an outbreak. Also there are many articles that surely wasn't included in the category like Black Death and so on... outbreaks aren't always disasters and don't you think that those categories actually has a purpose? Editoneer (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - an outbreak may not be a health disaster. All the best: Rich Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable) 17:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC).
  

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:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Downmerging :Category:Ships built in Houghton, Washington to :Category:Ships built at Lake Washington Shipyard

::* Reparent :Category:Ships built at Lake Washington Shipyard under both :Category:Ships built in Washington (state) and :Category:History of Kirkland, Washington

:::* Upmerging :Category:Ships built by Anderson Steamboat Company to :Category:Ships built at Lake Washington Shipyard

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCLOCATION

:All 48 ship articles in these categories were built in the same shipyard in the same location. That location went from being an unincorporated area of King County, to Houghton being incorporated as a city (1948), to merging with the city of Kirkland (1968). (All 48 articles are from that early unincorporated period though.) Similarly the single shipyard was the "Anderson Shipyard" from the 1880s to 1923 (9 articles) and was renamed as the Lake Washington Shipyard from 1923 until closure (39 articles). We don't have any other ship or shipyard articles for either Houghton or Kirkland. I'm proposing the target category because Lake Washington Shipyard is the only main article here but, alternatively, if the consensus is for the Houghton or some new name, all three categories are tagged to give flexibility to the outcome. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

• Merge them all to the same place. You've made a solid argument for considering the categories as complete overlaps. I just don't care what we call the end result, especially because I have no idea whether we prefer the latest name or the name that was used longest. Nyttend (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:: I actually have no preference for the target name. In the spirit of WP:C2D, naming it after the main article (Lake Washington Shipyard) is probably the default. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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