Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 15

= May 15 =

== Category:Angolan lawyers by type ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Angolan lawyers by type to :Category:Angolan lawyers

:Nominator's rationale: We only have a total of 5 articles about Angolan lawyers. Only content of this category is :Category:Angolan prosecutors. We dont need an intermediate category. Rathfelder (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Support, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - subcat schemes for 5 articles are in general premature. Oculi (talk) 12:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:1985 establishments in the Vatican City ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename to :Category:1985 establishments in Vatican City Timrollpickering (talk) 11:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|1985 establishments in the Vatican City}}

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorisation per WP:SMALL and WP:NARROWCAT Morbidthoughts (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Keep This is a dinstict place. We allow categorizing anything by the year and distinct place it was organized.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

::WP:OTHERSTUFF: How many other Vatican City establishments are there to even organise this by year?[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Establishments_in_the_Vatican_City_by_year&action=edit&redlink=1] Morbidthoughts (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Illegal speech ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 14:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Illegal speech to :Category:Speech crimes

:Nominator's rationale: I just discovered this category after creating :Category:Speech crimes, which I think is a better definition for the concept. (Disclaimer: I recently moved the head article from "criminal speech" to "speech crimes" due to the latter name being a clear common name.) Judging from my searches, "illegal speech" is a US-centric term referring to speech which is not protected by the first amendment, while "speech crimes" is more used internationally. If this merge is not done, the categories should be merged in the opposite direction. buidhe 18:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Merge the two categories as they have the same scope. I do not have a preference regarding the title of the category or of the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge or Reverse Merge Ideally, this would have been an RM at the main article but I've also inadvertently created duplicate categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge same scope, although many other items ought to be categorized therein. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Batwoman (TV series) ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Batwoman (TV series)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too little content. What is even the point of this category? It in no way aids in navigation. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 11:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose. 2 files, an article and a sub-category. I find that more than enough to aid in navigation. --Gonnym (talk) 11:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete. Categories like this should have more than the one article about itself. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per creator. Certainly helps navigation, even if the nominator does not believe it does for them personally, and given that the season has been renewed and the first season is almost over, the page is likely to be split soon into Season 1 and 2 articles, which will have their own files, needing it further. -- /Alex/21 01:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, the category only contains the eponymous article. In that, I do not count files or redirects to that same article since they do not provide new information about the topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 18:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete for Now I guess I don't understand why this would plausibly be kept since it ties one main article with redirects and doesn't aid navigation. No objection to recreating if we ever get up to 5 direct articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete There is virtually no actual content. See WP:EPONCAT for the standards needed for eponymous categories. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 07:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Not sure how the comments above dismiss files and redirect categories as not existent for navigation. How else would somebody move from :Batwoman (TV series) character redirects to lists to :File:Batwoman TV series logo.png? Manually type in something and hope for the best? --Gonnym (talk) 08:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

:* All information about the topic can be found in the article Batwoman (TV series). There is nothing substantive in the redirect categories or in the file. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

:::Reply Simple: A reader would use the redirect to get to the sole Batwoman (TV series) article and then see the logo in the infobox without ever going to the actual image file. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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==Category:Country data templates of other entities==

==Category:Municipal City Heads (gorodskoy golova) of Moscow==

== Category:Lumbini Zone geography stubs ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 11:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Lumbini Zone geography stubs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Zones have been superseded by provinces; category is empty. Her Pegship (I'm listening) 16:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Magazines by country ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 11:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Austrian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Austria and all such 'Fooian' magazine categories.

:Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_6#Newspapers_by_country renamed :Category:Austrian newspapers to :Category:Newspapers published in Austria (see its exemplary rationale). Moreover these are all subcats of eg :Category:Mass media in Austria, which was likewise renamed to use 'in' via this cfd: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_10#Media_by_country. Oculi (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

{{cot|Full list of 108 'magazine' categories}}

  1. :Category:Austrian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Austria
  2. :Category:Azerbaijani magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Azerbaijan
  3. :Category:Bahraini magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Bahrain
  4. :Category:Bangladeshi magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Bangladesh
  5. :Category:Belarusian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Belarus
  6. :Category:Belgian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Belgium
  7. :Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Bosnia and Herzegovina
  8. :Category:Brazilian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Brazil
  9. :Category:Bulgarian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Bulgaria
  10. :Category:Cambodian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Cambodia
  11. :Category:Canadian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Canada
  12. :Category:Catalan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Catalonia
  13. :Category:Chilean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Chile
  14. :Category:Chinese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in China
  15. :Category:Colombian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Colombia
  16. :Category:Costa Rican magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Costa Rica
  17. :Category:Croatian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Croatia
  18. :Category:Cuban magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Cuba
  19. :Category:Cypriot magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Cyprus
  20. :Category:Czechoslovak magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Czechoslovakia
  21. :Category:Danish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Denmark
  22. :Category:Egyptian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Egypt
  23. :Category:English magazines to :Category:Magazines published in England
  24. :Category:Estonian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Estonia
  25. :Category:Ethiopian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Ethiopia
  26. :Category:Fars magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Fars Province
  27. :Category:Finnish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Finland
  28. :Category:Flemish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Flanders
  29. :Category:French magazines to :Category:Magazines published in France
  30. :Category:German magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Germany
  31. :Category:Greek magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Greece
  32. :Category:Hong Kong magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Hong Kong
  33. :Category:Hungarian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Hungary
  34. :Category:Icelandic magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Iceland
  35. :Category:Imperial Russian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the Russian Empire
  36. :Category:Indian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in India
  37. :Category:Indonesian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Indonesia
  38. :Category:Iranian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Iran
  39. :Category:Iraqi magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Iraq
  40. :Category:Irish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Ireland
  41. :Category:Israeli magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Israel
  42. :Category:Italian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Italy
  43. :Category:Jamaican magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Jamaica
  44. :Category:Japanese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Japan
  45. :Category:Jordanian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Jordan
  46. :Category:Kenyan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Kenya
  47. :Category:Korean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Korea
  48. :Category:Kosovar magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Kosovo
  49. :Category:Kuwaiti magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Kuwait
  50. :Category:Latvian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Latvia
  51. :Category:Lebanese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Lebanon
  52. :Category:Lithuanian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Lithuania
  53. :Category:Malaysian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Malaysia
  54. :Category:Maltese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Malta
  55. :Category:Mauritian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Mauritius
  56. :Category:Mexican magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Mexico
  57. :Category:Moldovan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Moldova
  58. :Category:Montenegrin magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Montenegro
  59. :Category:Moroccan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Morocco
  60. :Category:Mozambican magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Mozambique
  61. :Category:Namibian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Namibia
  62. :Category:Nepalese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Nepal
  63. :Category:New Zealand magazines to :Category:Magazines published in New Zealand
  64. :Category:Nicaraguan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Nicaragua
  65. :Category:Nigerian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Nigeria
  66. :Category:North Korean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in North Korea
  67. :Category:Macedonian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in North Macedonia
  68. :Category:Norwegian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Norway
  69. :Category:Pakistani magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Pakistan
  70. :Category:Peruvian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Peru
  71. :Category:Polish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Poland
  72. :Category:Portuguese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Portugal
  73. :Category:Puerto Rican magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Puerto Rico
  74. :Category:Romanian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Romania
  75. :Category:Russian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Russia
  76. :Category:Rwandan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Rwanda
  77. :Category:Saudi Arabian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Saudi Arabia
  78. :Category:Scottish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Scotland
  79. :Category:Senegalese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Senegal
  80. :Category:Serbian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Serbia
  81. :Category:Singaporean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Singapore
  82. :Category:Slovak magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Slovakia
  83. :Category:Slovenian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Slovenia
  84. :Category:South African magazines to :Category:Magazines published in South Africa
  85. :Category:South Korean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in South Korea
  86. :Category:Spanish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Spain
  87. :Category:Sri Lankan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Sri Lanka
  88. :Category:Swedish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Sweden
  89. :Category:Swiss magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Switzerland
  90. :Category:Syrian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Syria
  91. :Category:Taiwanese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Taiwan
  92. :Category:Thai magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Thailand
  93. :Category:Czech magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the Czech Republic
  94. :Category:Dutch magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the Netherlands
  95. :Category:Philippine magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the Philippines
  96. :Category:Soviet magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the Soviet Union
  97. :Category:Emirati magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the United Arab Emirates
  98. :Category:British magazines to :Category:Magazines published in the United Kingdom
  99. :Category:Tunisian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Tunisia
  100. :Category:Turkish magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Turkey
  101. :Category:Ukrainian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Ukraine
  102. :Category:Uzbekistani magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Uzbekistan
  103. :Category:Venezuelan magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Venezuela
  104. :Category:Vietnamese magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Vietnam
  105. :Category:Welsh magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Wales
  106. :Category:Yugoslav magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Yugoslavia
  107. :Category:Zambian magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Zambia
  108. :Category:Zimbabwean magazines to :Category:Magazines published in Zimbabwe

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===Discussion for magazines===

  • Support as nom. Oculi (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support to reduce ambiguity. E.g. German magazines may be wrongly interpreted as German-language magazines. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Rathfelder (talk) 20:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Rename all per nom, for clarity. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:49, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Clearer scope. Dimadick (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. I've often thought it was weird for newspaper categories to be formatted as "Newspapers published in [Country]" while magazines were at "[Demonym] magazines" — but the idea of actually taking on the job of batching a full nomination for discussion here just gave me hives. So I'm thankful that somebody finally has, because this has been necessary for a while. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by community ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge for now bibliomaniac15 02:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by community to :Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by city

:Nominator's rationale: Confusing split of main category. User:Namiba 14:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Support per nom. Perhaps some day the whole tree may be renamed to "by populated place" instead of "by city". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Prefer "by populated place" as this avoid the tricky question of what places are cities. There was a long discussion over this several years ago. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I'm open to a broader conversation about what we call groups of people living together, but creating a duplicate category tree doesn't aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:21, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support let's merge the cats for now and have a subsequent discussion about city → something else (populated place is clunky, maybe settlement?), which I would also support. SportingFlyer T·C 08:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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==Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts==

==Category:Plovers==

==Category:Spanish-language YouTubers==

==Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists==

== Category:European Initiative Prize recipients ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 11:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:European Initiative Prize

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:European Initiative Prize recipients

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)

:The European Union mission/office in Paris has an annual symposium where they also give out the European Initiative Prize for journalism covering European topics. This Wikipedia category is a blend of articles on publications and on journalists but, either way, the award seems non-defining: of the 14 entries in the category 1 mentions it in passing, 1 in the lede, and 12 not at all. It's hardly surprising that respected European based publications and journalists would be covering European topics. The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

:*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD

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== Category:Recipients of the Cuban Friendship Medal ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 02:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Recipients of the Cuban Friendship Medal

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF (WP:OCAWARD)

:The Friendship Medal (Cuba) is given to non-Cubans for solidarity with the Cuban revolution. The vast majority of people who won the award have no Wikipedia page but we have three that do: American actor/activist Danny Glover, South African anti-Apartheid priest Michael Lapsley and Zambian Prime Minister Elijah Mudenda. All three articles do mention the award in the body but neither it nor their relations with Cuba more generally seem defining. The contents plus all the redlinks are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. (Alternatively, if kept, rename to :Category:Recipients of the Friendship Medal (Cuba) to match the main article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

:*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD

  • Delete per nom. A list has already been created as a section in the award article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. I agree with the basic principle of RevelationDirect's assertion that receipt of the medal is non-defining ... but the problem with deleting the category is that it leaves those articles with no category to group the shared defining characteristic that these people are noted for the association with Cuba.

:If we had some other category to group pro-Cuba activists, then this category would be redundant ... but until then it serves as a proxy for the category which we should have. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} Is addressing your concern as simple as renaming the category to :Category:Pro-Cuban activists? RevelationDirect (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

:::@RevelationDirect, I think that a :Category:Pro-Cuban activists would be a fine substitute. But it wouldn't be a renaming, because it would have completely different parents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

  • I was going to say "Just delete" as it does not need to be listified, but the suggested repurposing is also acceptable. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Whether a category should be created for pro-Cuba activists is a separate issue (and, by the way, that still wouldn't be a defining characteristic of Glover who is in plenty of categories for more defining characteristics). DexDor (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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