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== Category:DJs from Naples ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:DJs from Naples to :Category:Musicians from Naples and :Category:Italian DJs

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1. Not an established tree. Rathfelder (talk) 23:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of BlyatPutin ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of TryToBeFunny. Subcat :Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of BlyatPutin‎ also merged. As GeneralNotability said, mergers like these are probably handled more quickly and simply by the SPI team. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 09:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of BlyatPutin to :Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of TryToBeFunny

:Nominator's rationale: Same user, no need for 2 subcategories 4thfile4thrank (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Venue? {{ping|Good Olfactory|MER-C}} Is CFD the right venue for a sockpuppet category? - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
  • {{U|RevelationDirect}}, I know CFD has dealt with them before, though I haven't seen one here in quite some time. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge I honestly don't know how to verify this claim but, since 4thfile4thrank works heavily with vandalism issues, I'll assume this is valid unless there is an objection. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
  • {{re|RevelationDirect}} I nominated this as they are both the same person, CU confirmed, and two categories confuse people. 4thfile4thrank (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't we leave a redirect? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Maybe, but we shouldn't create too many pages on one LTA, as that gives them the attention they want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4thfile4thrank (talk • contribs) 15:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: 1 month passed.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 4thfile4thrank (talk) 22:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Merge — Although avoidance techniques have improved over time, once two separate violators are confirmed to be the same, they should be merged to aid future detection. Also, to kill the thrill.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • If y'all want to deduplicate sockpuppet categories, all you had to do was ask an admin or SPI clerk to retag them and then C1 the category. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Male suicide bombers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Male suicide bombers to :Category:Suicide bombers

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, there is no indication that 'male suicide bombers' is a notable topic in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Merge Probably created to balance the female category; which seems to indicate that female suicide bomber is a notable concept or is just sufficiently coverage-worthy because of its rarity that draws media attention. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Merge Not a notable topic on its own. Dimadick (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Merge. Per WP:CATGENDER, a category for a minority gender does not need to be balanced by a mirror category for the majority gender. Place Clichy (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Unconfirmed planets of the Gliese 581 system ==

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:The result of the discussion was: everyone agrees that the category should be deleted. There were differing views on the appropriate merge target for the articles in it and a consensus was not really reached. I am defaulting to merging to all three parents, :Category:Planets of the Gliese 581 system, :Category:Exoplanets in the habitable zone and :Category:Exoplanet candidates. If this is incorrect for any of the articles, the wrong categories can be removed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting :Category:Unconfirmed planets of the Gliese 581 system

:Nonimator's rationale: Useless category, no other planetary systems have categories for unconfirmed planets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepler-1229b (talk • contribs)

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== Gliese 581d ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Gliese 581d

:* Useless category, only one article in category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepler-1229b (talk • contribs)

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== Suicides by city ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Suicides by city

:* Propose manually merge :Category:Suicides in London to :Category:Suicides in England - and manually merge the 2 suicide articles and the subcategory to :Category:Deaths by person in London

:* Propose manually merge :Category:Suicides in Milan to :Category:Suicides in Italy

:* Propose manually merge :Category:Suicides in Moscow to :Category:Suicides in Russia

:* Propose manually merge :Category:Suicides in New York City to :Category:Suicides in New York (state) - and manually merge 3 articles and the subcategories to :Category:Deaths by person in New York City

:* Propose manually merge :Category:Suicides in Tokyo to :Category:Suicides in Japan

:Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, trivial intersection between death and location. The merge need to take place manually because often the articles will already be in another subcategory of the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Keep certainly London and New York, bith of which are well populated. Merger will lead to categories so large as to hinder (not aid) navigation. Populate the rest if possible. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Merge the small categories (under 5 or so articles) with the geographically larger ones; for the large ones, re-parent them under the geographically larger one. That will aid navigation as categories with hundreds of entries ought to be broken down. Here, compliant geography is convenient and the NYC one is pretty well (de-)populated already. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep There is scope for expansion in the case of major cities. Dimadick (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete and merge. Where people kill themselves is very rarely defining. Rathfelder (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Keep London and New York City, but the rest can be deleted. Lettlerhello • contribs 20:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Amazon Prime Video drafts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Amazon Prime Video drafts to :Category:Prime Video drafts

:Nominator's rationale: Perhaps the draft could be renamed as the main page is just Prime Video Starzoner (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Christmas Island ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Christmas Island architecture to :Category:Christmas Island culture

:* Propose merging :Category:National symbols of Christmas Island to :Category:Christmas Island culture

:* Propose deleting :Category:Penal system in Christmas Island (no merge needed, subcat is already in the organizations tree)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politics of Christmas Island to :Category:Christmas Island

:* Propose merging :Category:Educational organisations based in Christmas Island‎ to :Category:Organisations based in Christmas Island by subject‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Entertainment venues in Christmas Island‎ (no merge needed, subcat is already in the buildings and structures tree)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Gambling in Christmas Island‎ (no merge needed, subcat is already in the buildings and structures tree)

:* Propose merging :Category:Aviation in Christmas Island to :Category:Transport in Christmas Island

:* Propose merging :Category:Transport infrastructure in Christmas Island to :Category:Transport in Christmas Island

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layers that each do not contain any article and just a single subcategory. That makes it a very complicated category tree for a tiny island. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Mayors of places in India ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

: Propose merging

:* :Category:Mayors of Raipur to :Category:Mayors of places in Chhattisgarh and :Category:Raipur municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Rajkot to :Category:Mayors of places in Gujarat and :Category:Rajkot municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Vadodara to :Category:Mayors of places in Gujarat and :Category:Vadodara municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Shimla to :Category:Mayors of places in Himachal Pradesh and :Category:Shimla municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Srinagar to :Category:Mayors of places in Jammu and Kashmir and :Category:Srinagar municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Kochi to :Category:Mayors of places in Kerala and :Category:Kochi municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Kollam to :Category:Mayors of places in Kerala and :Category:Kollam municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Thiruvananthapuram to :Category:Mayors of places in Kerala and :Category:Politicians from Thiruvananthapuram

:* :Category:Mayors of Aurangabad, Maharashtra to :Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra and :Category:Aurangabad, Maharashtra municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Kalyan-Dombivali Municipal Corporation to :Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra and :Category:People from Kalyan-Dombivli

:* :Category:Mayors of Nashik to :Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra and :Category:Nashik municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Navi Mumbai to :Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra and :Category:Navi Mumbai municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Ulhasnagar to :Category:Mayors of places in Maharashtra and :Category:Ulhasnagar municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Amritsar to :Category:Mayors of places in Punjab, India and :Category:Politicians from Amritsar

:* :Category:Mayors of Mohali to :Category:Mayors of places in Punjab, India and :Category:People from Mohali

:* :Category:Mayors of Jaipur to :Category:Mayors of places in Rajasthan and :Category:Jaipur municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Kota, Rajasthan to :Category:Mayors of places in Rajasthan and :Category:Kota, Rajasthan municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Madurai to :Category:Mayors of places in Tamil Nadu and :Category:Madurai municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Tiruchirappalli to :Category:Mayors of places in Tamil Nadu and :Category:Tiruchirapalli municipal councillors

:* :Category:Mayors of Vellore to :Category:Mayors of places in Tamil Nadu and :Category:People from Vellore

:* :Category:Mayors of Siliguri to :Category:Mayors of places in West Bengal and :Category:Siliguri municipal councillors

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Merge for Now While these places have presumably had more than five mayors, most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any that exceed expectations and get up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Murdered musicians ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete, but merge contents of "Murdered FOOian musicians" to "FOOian murder victims". Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered musicians}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered hip hop musicians‎}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered rappers‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered reggae musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Algerian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered American musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Canadian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Chilean musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered English musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered French musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Indian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Italian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Mexican musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Norwegian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Pakistani musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered Russian musicians‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Murdered South African musicians‎}}

:Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.

:Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.

:See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 24#Category:Musicians who committed suicide

:William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:* How do you mean "cause"? I would expect a statistical relationship between being notable and being murdered, but that is not unique to musicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Merchant courts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to {{Cat|Shopping malls in Russia}}. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Merchant courts}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not clear what the inclusion criteria is; there is no article for merchant court Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Initial reaction withdrawn after discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

::: I have no objection to a merge if that's the consensus. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

::Lean toward keep with rename, but no objection to a merge. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

::Oppose. Most of these buildings have not been used as shops for decades. They are notable primarily as architectural landmarks (often the oldest secular buildings surviving in a town or region). Ghirla-трёп- 11:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

::* Insofar that is the case, add the articles to some subcategory of Tourist attractions. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:2020 United States racial unrest ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:2020 United States racial unrest to :Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest

:Nominator's rationale: Considering the unrest article has already been renamed to account for 2021, the category should definitely go the same way. Love of Corey (talk) 02:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. One query - should that be an en-dash rather than an em-dash? Grutness...wha? 02:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

::I copy-and-pasted that title to ensure total accuracy, so you're going to have to ask the user who renamed the article, {{U|GorillaWarfare}}. Love of Corey (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:::I believe that is an en dash. Just verified with [https://www.babelstone.co.uk/Unicode/whatisit.html]. It's certainly intended to be an en dash, if it isn't... GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

::::Ah, okay. Love of Corey (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::It may just be my ancient browser making it look wrong :) Grutness...wha? 13:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

::::::There we go, I suppose. Love of Corey (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment many of its parents are 2020 specific categories. Also, there is racial unrest virtually every year in the US and it's continual or continuous (and many of the sources in the articles say just that), so that begs the question why not just separate each incident by the year in which it occurred rather than trying to shoe-horn only those within a 2-year period? Or do reliable sources say that magically there was no racial unrest in the US in 2019 that dribbled over into 2020, and into 2021, etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

::Clearly there was a lot of special notability in the unrest that occurred in 2020 and 2021 that resulted in said unrest having an article of its own. In regards to the 2019 unrest, I'd call that an overblown assumption, but it does appear that way. Love of Corey (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment - It's been over three weeks now. How long does it take for a decision to be made? Love of Corey (talk) 08:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Recipients of Thiri Thudhamma Thingaha ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Recipients of Thiri Thudhamma Thingaha

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)

:When foreign leaders visit the Myanmar (formerly Burma), or vice versa, the Thiri Thudhamma Thingaha is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Marshall Josip Broz Tito, Emperor Haile Selassie, and Premier Zhou Enlai are not remotely defined by this award. (The only Burmese/Myanma people in this category are the Presidents of Myanmar who are already well categorized under :Category:Presidents of Myanmar) There is already a list right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Freemen of the City of Kimberley ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Freemen of the City of Kimberley

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD) and WP:V (WP:RS)

:The Freedom of the City of Kimberley is an award from Kimberley, South Africa that is obscure:

:* "Freemen of the City of Kimberley" in Google gets 18 results, all of which are Wikipedia related

:* The closest thing I found searching for "Freedom of the City of Kimberley" was an article about someone who received a different city's award which was [https://www.kimberleybulletin.com/news/freeman-of-the-city/ reported in the Kimberley newspaper].

:The same editor who created this category also wrote two biography articles (1 and 2) and they do mention the award prominently, citing an offline newsletter of a local historical society. The rest of the articles mention the award in passing or not at all so it doesn't seem to be generally defining though. I copied the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants to find reliable sources to establish notability in order to create a main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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