Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 16

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Judges educated at British public schools}}

:Nominator's rationale: This was created in Aug 2022 by user:Rathfelder, along with its parent :Category:People educated at British public schools. This is the only 'by occupation' subcategory of :Category:People educated at British public schools which is otherwise subcategorised by school. Oculi (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. Oculi (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete as above. Completely unnecessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:34, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|National Hockey League first-round draft picks}}

:Nominator's rationale: The round in which a player is drafted is trivial to their overall career. I can see an argument for first-overall picks, as this adds a sustained level of notoriety and expectations. However, dozens of players are selected in the first round of the NHL draft each year. I also note that there are no equivalents for other US-based leagues. User:Namiba 15:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 22:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Incidents involving the sovereign citizen movement. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Incidents involving sovereign citizens to :Category:Incidents involving persons who self-describe with the the pseudolaw label "sovereign citizen"

:Nominator's rationale: Current name violates both WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE by assuming, in WP:WIKIVOICE that persons involved in these incidents were, in fact, so-called 'sovereign citizens', whereas our article on that topic describes the soveriegn citizen babble as "pseudolaw". NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Incidents involving the sovereign citizen movement. It's shorter and also doesn't imply that the people involved were actually "sovereign citizens". Mucube (talk · contribs) 21:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

:::: Original proposer says...... I can live with that. Thanks for improving on my application for rename.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

• Alt rename per Mucube (or else keep), the proposed name in the nomination is unnecessarily unwieldy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
• I've taken the liberty of striking part of the original proposal (very naughty) as it included a double "the" - Arjayay (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

:: Confessing sinner says, thanks Arjayay! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:43, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete and manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category should not exist as there are certainly WP:NONDEF concerns for the living accusers and the deceased who prevailed in a court of law. People are not notable for allegations and that includes the accused and the accuser. See for similar discussions. Jackson or his accusers are not defined by these accusations, nor would they want to be. The minority of non-BLP entries, including the subcategory, can be moved to the parent :Category:Michael Jackson. TruthGuardians (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles properly belong in the category. There is no need to merge, the two articles are already in :Category:Michael Jackson. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
• The proposal would currently remove two pages from the :Category:Michael Jackson hierarchy, namely Wade Robson (claimant) and Thomas W. Sneddon Jr. (investigator). Presumably Marcocapelle does not count these as belonging in the category or its parent. IMHO the connection is certainly defining for Sneddon. I sympathise with the sentiments in the nomination, but I see the abuse allegation as WP:DEFINING for Robson as the topic of an encyclopedia article, whether or not it is psychologically defining for him as a person. Therefore I would either keep or merge those two pages. – Fayenatic London 10:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete As previously stated, there is no need to merge per WP:SMALLCAT. The allegations against Michael Jackson already has its place on wikipedia. There are only 2 articles in this category that are better suited in the other categories they are already in. MraClean (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Non-Muslim interactants with Muslims during Muhammad's era to :Category:Muhammad and other religions

:Nominator's rationale: rename to align with :Category:Islam and other religions and with :Category:Muhammad and Judaism, and better recognizable as a topic category instead of a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:9th-century Egyptian historians to :Category:9th-century Egyptian people, :Category:Medieval Egyptian historians and :Category:9th-century historians from the Abbasid Caliphate

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the 9th century is a little too early to start this series of categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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