Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 12

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 17:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Race-related controversies in animation to :Category:Race-related controversies in film

:Nominator's rationale: The difference between "animation films" and "live-picture films" is not one worthy having two different categories on the same thing. This just leads to WP:OVERCAT problems (as a quick look will show, many films have both...) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

• I am not convinced, this is a well-populated category and insofar articles are in both categories they should just be removed from :Category:Race-related controversies in film per WP:SUBCAT. Besides if the category would be merged it should be a dual merge, also to :Category:Animation controversies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs) 15:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dukes of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon-Rethwisch}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, there were only two dukes and neither of the two has his own article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. But what a delightful name! Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete -- The main article is already in :Category:House of Oldenburg in Schleswig-Holstein, which is appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 17:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Works involved in a lawsuit to :Category:Works subject to a lawsuit

:Nominator's rationale: "involved in" is extremely vague and likely to lead to overcategorisation problems. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose "Subject" is equally vague. Overcategorization has never been one of Wikipedia's problems. Undercategorization is plaguing it, and many articles have not been properly categorized. Dimadick (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
• :In this context, "subject to a lawsuit" is not vague. It literally means "Works that have been the element of contention of a lawsuit" (as opposed to merely being mentioned in one) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
• Rename, it is just clearer language. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 17:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Iranian Azerbaijani grand ayatollahs and clerics}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS (trivial intersection with ethnicity) and largely overlapping with :Category:Iranian Azerbaijani politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:04, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 17:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Songs about Earth}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, hardly any of these songs is specifically about the planet Earth, articles are in here because titles and lyrics contain the word "earth" or "world" as generally the place we are living. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. One entry is in :Category:Songs about Earth, :Category:Songs about happiness and :Category:Songs about amphibians, there is nothing in the text to confirm what the song is about, although it confirms the lyrics are nonsense and the opening line is Jeremiah was a bullfrog. Fails WP:CATDEF on all three categories. Further proof that no thought or consideration is given to 'songs about xxx' --Richhoncho (talk) 11:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The "world" seems to be a much broader and harder to define concept than being about Earth which few of these songs are actually about. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Way too ambiguous. -2pou (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename all. Despite the objection on the English category, I can't see sufficient justification for leaving it behind as an outlier. – Fayenatic London 17:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of China to :Category:Garden design history of China

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of England to :Category:Garden design history of England

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of France to :Category:Garden design history of France

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of Italy to :Category:Garden design history of Italy

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of Japan to :Category:Garden design history of Japan

:* Propose renaming :Category:Landscape design history of Spain to :Category:Garden design history of Spain

:Nominator's rationale: rename and move these categories to under :Category:Garden design history, per actual content, this is mostly about gardens. Parks subcategories should be purged, these are not about history. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support all these renames, but not the purging of parks. One could imagine actual "Landscape design" categories, but WP is pretty weak in this area, & I doubt we could fill them (one would probably want to start with the US). But I disagree with purging the parks - prominent parks (often former grand gardens) tend to have plenty of history, and our articles are usually strong on this (even when weak on everything else) - see Parque del Buen Retiro, Madrid for example, the grounds of a royal palace. It would also be unfair, as only England, France & Spain have dedicated "parks" subcats; in the other countries many of the "gardens" are actually public parks, the distinction between the two being rather elastic. Lower down the tree, the English cats take them together: :Category:Grade I listed parks and gardens in Buckinghamshire for example has some of the most notable English gardens. Btw, almost all of :Category:Chinese gardens are outside China - something should be done about this :Category:Chinese gardens outside China maybe. I expect Japan is the same. Johnbod (talk) 18:23, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support most but oppose England where the landscaped parks of Capability Brown, Sanderson Miller, Kent and others are on a much more substantial scale than anything I would recognise as a garden. This will also apply to the parks of royal palaces that have become public places. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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