Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 18

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Flap consonants to :Category:Tap and flap consonants

:Nominator's rationale: Per Tap and flap consonants#Tap vs. flap and since we don't appear to have separate articles on taps and flaps with the same place of articulation, this is probably an unnecessary layer of categorisation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

::Support. No point in drilling down layers of cats. — kwami (talk) 21:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Migrants from Portuguese India to British India}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic for the only article in this category about someone who was born and lived in India. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete -- A move from a Portuguese factory to and English one is unlikely to be significant. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:British emigrants to British India to :Category:British people in colonial India

:Nominator's rationale: merge, the distinction between the two categories is not clear. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

• Merge -- They amount to much the same thing. Occasionally British people were in India for several generations: I came across a case of a man, apparently as English as me, who needed to be naturalised becuase both he and his father had been born in India. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Neolithic proto-civilizations}}

:Nominator's rationale: "Proto-civilization" is a poorly-defined, unscientific concept and "Neolithic proto-civilization" is not used in reliable sources. Duplicative of :Category:Neolithic cultures and :Category:Neolithic sites. – Joe (talk) 10:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete An article about an associated concept was deleted in 2019: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Proto-civilisation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename all. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

: Propose renaming

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire by ethnic or national origin‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire by ethnic or national origin‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of African descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of African descent‎

:* :Category:Armenian people of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Armenian people from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Austrian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Austrian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of British descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of British descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Chinese descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Chinese descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Cossack Hetmanate‎ to :Category:People from the Cossack Hetmanate‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Czech descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Czech descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Danish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Danish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Dutch descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Dutch descent‎

:* :Category:Finnish people of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Finnish people from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of French descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of French descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Georgian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Georgian descent‎

:* :Category:Ethnic German people of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Ethnic German people from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of German descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of German descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Greek descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Greek descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Hungarian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Hungarian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Irish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Irish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Italian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Italian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Jewish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Jewish descent‎

:* :Category:Jews of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Jews from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Lipka Tatar descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Lipka Tatar descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Lithuanian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Lithuanian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Montenegrin descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Montenegrin descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Polish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Polish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Romanian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Romanian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Serbian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Serbian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Spanish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Spanish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Swedish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Swedish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Swiss descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Swiss descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Tatar descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Tatar descent‎

:* :Category:Tatar people of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Tatar people from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Turkish descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Turkish descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire of Ukrainian descent‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire of Ukrainian descent‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire by occupation‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire by occupation‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire by political orientation‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire by political orientation‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire by religion‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire by religion‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire by war‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire by war‎

:* :Category:Nobility of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Nobility from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Men of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Men from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Women of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Women from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Academicians of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Academicians from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Murder victims of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Murder victims from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Amputees of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Amputees from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Conspiracy theorists of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Conspiracy theorists from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Cossacks of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Cossacks from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Executed people of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Executed people from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Expatriates of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Expatriates from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Feminists of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Feminists from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Internal exiles of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Internal exiles from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:People of the Russian Empire convicted of murder‎ to :Category:People from the Russian Empire convicted of murder‎

:* :Category:Nobel laureates of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Nobel laureates from the Russian Empire‎

:* :Category:Revolutionaries of the Russian Empire‎ to :Category:Revolutionaries from the Russian Empire‎

:Nominator's rationale: rename per precedent in this earlier discussion. Note that a number of categories in this tree already have "from", they are not included in this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

::Support being physically from a place is more concrete and less loaded that being "of" a place, which implies one belonging to a place or a place belonging to you. 67kevlar (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

::*Support EmilySarah99 (talk) 05:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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• Support per nom and cited cfd. Oculi (talk) 11:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose for Jews, Tartars, Cossacks and Armenians, because these people were in their native Empire. Most of the other ethnic items are for expatriates or their descendants. Equally internal exiles, which was a sentence imposed by the Russian Empire. The Lithuanians and probably Ukrainians probably need renaming to the same format as the Jews and Tartars. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Not sure how being from their native Empire would influence the choice for "of" or "from", can you explain? Also, for Jews and Armenians this was not their native Empire (most Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

:Support "of" can be misleading. Rathfelder (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom, 67kevlar and Rathfelder. --Privybst (talk) 20:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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