Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 17

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Category:Loriciel games}}

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. Category exists at :Category:Virtual Studio games. Mika1h (talk) 23:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 15:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose It seems most of their games were made under the Loriciel name. I suggest deleting :Category:Virtual Studio games instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Oppose per Zxcvbnm. Also note that Virtual Studio is a redlink while Loriciel is not. I will tag the target for deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Indoor soccer competitions. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Masters association football}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which is already directly held in both the parent categories. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete in spirit of WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete per nom. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Indoor soccer competitions as per WP:C2F. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge as per Joseph. GiantSnowman 11:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Although this is an obvious application of WP:C2B, arguments were instead in favor of deletion. {{u|Place Clichy}}'s counterarguments for deletion were not justified at all, with their reply to {{u|RevelationDirect}} instead invoking the fallacy of tone policing. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Recipients of the Order of Courage to :Category:Recipients of the Order of Courage (Russia)

:Nominator's rationale: Due to the existence of :Category:Recipients of the Order of Courage (Iran), Recipients of the Order of Courage should become a parent category, within which Recipients of the Order of Courage (Russia) and Recipients of the Order of Courage (Iran) would be found. Rowing007 (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Per the article, if you collect 4 of these awards you can trade them in for 1 Hero of the Russian Federation upgrade. That doesn't seem very defining and the articles don't treat it that way, listing this award in a list if at all. There is already a list of recipients in the main article. (If kept, rename per nom.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
• : That's just rude. Place Clichy (talk) 12:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
• : I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind deleting? There is an "Order of Courage" in Iran and in Russia. Is this not a clear-cut case of disambiguation? Rowing007 (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

:::If we are to have a category for recipients of the Russian award, then your rename makes perfect sense. I don't think we should have the category at all though, because it's WP:NONDEFINING from my perspective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• Rename as nom, keep anyway as the case for deletion was not made. Place Clichy (talk) 12:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:30, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1900s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1900s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1900s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose merging :Category:1910s wildfires in North America to :Category:1910s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in North America

::*Propose merging :Category:1910s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1910s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1920s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1920s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1920s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1930s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1930s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1930s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1940s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1940s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1940s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1950s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1950s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1950s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1960s wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1960s wildfires in the United States to :Category:1960s wildfires and :Category:20th-century wildfires in the United States

:*Propose deleting {{lc|1987 wildfires in North America}}

::*Propose merging :Category:1987 wildfires in the United States to :Category:1987 wildfires, :Category:1987 fires in the United States, :Category:1980s wildfires in the United States and :Category:1987 natural disasters in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Unnecessarily drawn out tree for early 20th century. No need to merge to YYY0s fires in the United States or YYY0s natural disasters in the United States. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete, using Duchy of Carniola - :Category:Establishments in the Duchy of Carniola and :Category:Duchy of Carniola. - jc37 07:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:14th-century establishments in Carniola to :Category:Establishments in Carniola

:* Propose merging :Category:15th-century establishments in Carniola to :Category:Establishments in Carniola

:* Propose merging :Category:18th-century establishments in Carniola to :Category:Establishments in Carniola

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century establishments in Carniola to :Category:Establishments in Carniola

:* Propose merging :Category:20th-century establishments in Carniola to :Category:Establishments in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:14th century in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:15th century in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:16th century in Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:17th century in Carniola, move article to :Category:History of Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:18th century in Carniola, move articles to :Category:History of Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:19th century in Carniola, move articles to :Category:History of Carniola

:* Propose deleting :Category:20th century in Carniola

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in each of these categories. A dual merge is not needed, the articles are already in year (establishment) categories in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• ALT 1 For the :Category:Establishments in Carniola targets, I suggest that it also be renamed to :Category:Establishments in the Duchy of Carniola as there are no establishments for the March. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• ALT 2 For the centuries categories, the target should be :Category:Duchy of Carniola since there are no articles about the March. That would leave Carniola itself with just the March and the Duchy. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Both ALT1 and ALT2 are ok as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge/delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 12:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Christ carrying the cross in art and :Category:Sculptures depicting the Passion of Jesus. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Sculptures depicting Christ carrying the cross to :Category:Christ carrying the cross in art and :Category:Sculptures depicting the Passion of Jesus

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support With no objection to recreating if 5 articles ever appear. - RevelationDirect (talk) 07:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dark Horse Comics film characters}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not film characters. ★Trekker (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Comment I'm not sure I understand the rationale. All of these characters appear in films. Doesn't that make them film characters? Pichpich (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:*:The characters appear in films, but are all predominantly comic book characters. That those characters also appeared in movies doesn't appear to be a defining characteristic. Upmerge to :Category:Dark Horse Comics characters. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

::::Yes. This is why we have to repeatedly delete :Category:Characters adapted into the Marvel Cinematic Universe and similar crud.★Trekker (talk) 20:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per further explanation by nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:February 2022 events in Algeria to :Category:February 2022 events in Africa

:* Propose deleting {{lc|2022 events in Algeria by month}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (1 article). Isolated category. No other month/year cats for Algeria. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge/delete per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Members of the Prussian National Assembly. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Member of the Prussian National Assembly to :Category:Members of the Prussian National Assembly

:Nominator's rationale: It seems this category's current name is a typo. Category names are typically plural, however the current cateogry name here says "Member" not "Members". RoundSquare (talk) 01:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy Rename Per WP:SETCAT and WP:C2B, consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy Rename Per WP:C2B. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:21, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose Upmerging :Category:Drawings in the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen to :Category:Collections of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen

:* Propose Upmerging :Category:Prints in the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen to :Category:Collections of the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Prints and drawings of the Indianapolis Museum of Art

::* Propose Upmerging :Category:Drawings of the Indianapolis Museum of Art to :Category:Indianapolis Museum of Art artworks

::* Propose Upmerging :Category:Prints of the Indianapolis Museum of Art to :Category:Indianapolis Museum of Art artworks

:* Propose Upmerging :Category:Drawings of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon to :Category:Collections of the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon

:* Propose Upmerging :Category:Drawings of the Musée d'Orsay to :Category:Collections of the Musée d'Orsay

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT

:These types of subcategories are helpful for major institutions like the Louvre and Met but are likely to remain tiny forever with most museums. All of these were created by 1 retired editor a couple years ago so they are not "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" as described in SMALLCAT. Where appropriate, I added articles to other drawings/prints categories so no dual upmerge is needed. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Last Supper in art. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Sculptures depicting the Last Supper

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT approaching WP:C1, an unpopulated category

:Wikipedia doesn't have any article defined by this topic but I have not objection to recreating it if 5+ ever get written. The only things in here now is Miniature altarpiece (WB.232) which includes numerous Biblical scenes; the Last Supper is hard to see but is on the rounded base. (Alternatively, that 1 article could be be upmerged to :Category:Last Supper in art.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment This category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per above, especially now that it's empty. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural note Nominated categories should normally not be emptied while a CfD/R/M is going on, especially if C1 or SMALLCAT are invoked as rationale for deletion. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::I agree, and have voiced my displeasure in several CFD discussions when this happens, but in this case, the page was not removed from the category by the nominator but another editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge to :Category:Last Supper in art per nom's alternative. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:27, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::What can be upmerged when the category is empty? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

:::I still see this nomination as binding on the one article, Miniature altarpiece (WB.232), regardless of the out of process edit. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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