Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 4

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Stub-Class Parish of Saint John articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Parish of Saint John articles by quality}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Low-importance Parish of Saint John articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mid-importance Parish of Saint John articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Stub-Class Parish of Saint John articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Parish of Saint Paul articles by importance}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|High-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mid-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|NA-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Unknown-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Top-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Low-importance Parish of Saint Paul articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|High-importance Parish of Saint Mary articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mid-importance Parish of Saint George articles}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|High-importance Parish of Saint Peter articles}}

Cluster of WikiProject categories of dubious utility. Within the past week or so, one user arbitrarily started splitting Wikipedia:WikiProject Antigua and Barbuda up into numerous task forces for individual civil parishes without any obvious attempt at establishing a consensus that it was needed in the first place for such a small country, but their efforts also resulted in the generation of a couple of dozen underpopulated one-or-two-article class-assessment and quality-rating categories for each individual task force, and while they created a few of the resulting categories (i.e. the ones I'm listing here), they left many more of them sitting redlinked for Special:WantedCategories to have to clean up.
But our task force rules explicitly state that task forces are supposed to just use the Wikiproject's existing class-assessment and quality-rating infrastructures and categories rather than creating their own separate ones, meaning that none of the categories could be justifiably created for just one or two articles. So the WikiProject's banner template has accordingly been reset to class-rate and quality-rate articles into Antigua and Barbuda class and quality categories instead of separate parish-specific class and quality categories, which left these empty with no pressing need to retain them since they should never have existed in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 23:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Suonii180 (talk) 08:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in El Salvador to :Category:Natural disasters in El Salvador and :Category:Water in El Salvador

:* Propose deleting :Category:Floods in Central America

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Bolivia to :Category:Natural disasters in Bolivia and :Category:Water in Bolivia

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Guyana to :Category:Natural disasters in Guyana and :Category:Water in Guyana

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Suriname to :Category:Natural disasters in Suriname and :Category:Water in Suriname

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Bhutan to :Category:Natural disasters in Bhutan and :Category:Water in Bhutan

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Cambodia to :Category:Natural disasters in Cambodia and :Category:Water in Cambodia

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Jordan to :Category:Natural disasters in Jordan and :Category:Water in Jordan

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Kazakhstan to :Category:Natural disasters in Kazakhstan and :Category:Water in Kazakhstan

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Laos to :Category:Natural disasters in Laos and :Category:Water in Laos

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in the United Arab Emirates to :Category:Natural disasters in the United Arab Emirates and :Category:Water in the United Arab Emirates

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Yemen to :Category:Natural disasters in Yemen and :Category:Water in Yemen

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Angola to :Category:Natural disasters in Angola and :Category:Water in Angola

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Burundi to :Category:Natural disasters in Burundi and :Category:Water in Burundi

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Djibouti to :Category:Natural disasters in Djibouti and :Category:Water in Djibouti

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Kenya to :Category:Natural disasters in Kenya and :Category:Water in Kenya

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Rwanda to :Category:Natural disasters in Rwanda and :Category:Water in Rwanda

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Somalia to :Category:Natural disasters in Somalia and :Category:Water in Somalia

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Zambia to :Category:Natural disasters in Zambia and :Category:Water in Zambia

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Albania to :Category:Natural disasters in Albania and :Category:Water in Albania

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Belarus to :Category:Natural disasters in Belarus and :Category:Water in Belarus

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Georgia (country) to :Category:Natural disasters in Georgia (country) and :Category:Water in Georgia (country)

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in North Macedonia to :Category:Natural disasters in North Macedonia and :Category:Water in North Macedonia

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Norway to :Category:Natural disasters in Norway and :Category:Water in Norway

:* Propose merging :Category:Floods in Sweden to :Category:Natural disasters in Sweden and :Category:Water in Sweden

:Nominator's rationale: Only one article in each of these categories so far, which does not justify having a category in {{c|Floods by country}}. Merge without prejudice to re-creation if and when there are multiple articles. The member articles are already within the other parent hierarchies e.g. (for the first one) via {{c|Floods in North America by decade}} – Fayenatic London 12:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC).

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:32, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|British sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|English sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Canadian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT parallel to :Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent. WP:COP-HERITAGE allows only descent or diaspora.

:Summary: This recently created parallel category tree was also populated by the same continent and region decent subcategories. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.

:William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, trivial intersection between occupation and ancestors' nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|French sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|German sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}} (empty)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Irish sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Romanian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sri Lankan sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}} (emptying)

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT parallel to :Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent. WP:COP-HERITAGE allows only descent or diaspora.

:In most cases, only a Jewish subcategory remains. They are correctly categorized By nationality and occupation and :Category:Jewish sportspeople by nationality, so removal of parallel national origin will have no effect.

:Summary: This recently created parallel category tree was also populated by the same continent and region decent subcategories. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.

:Followup to:

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 27#Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21#Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent

:William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• {{Ping|Marcocapelle|Nederlandse Leeuw|Place Clichy}} More have emptied or are emptying as prior nominations have closed.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, trivial intersection between occupation and ancestors' ethnicity or nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Query Is there much difference between this tree structure and the :Category:Sportspeople by country of descent tree structure? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
• : {{Re|Laurel Lodged}} yes there is. {{C|Sportspeople by country of descent}} is organized by 'old' country (e.g. {{C|Sportspeople of Afghan descent}}) while {{C|Sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}} is/was organized by 'new' country (e.g. {{C|Thai sportspeople by ethnic or national origin}}). That's not unlike {{C|People by ethnic or national descent}} vs. {{C|People by ethnic or national origin}}. However, the origin category was butchered and full of ineligible categories (such as arbitrary racial and regional categories) that were deleted in the discussions linked above, making it mostly empty and useless, besides most triple intersections of nationality, occupation and origin being considered trivial by many editors. Place Clichy (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Footballers' wives and girlfriends}}

:Nominator's rationale: Pointless middle category between :Category:Wives by occupation of partner and :Category:Association footballers' wives and girlfriends. Might be useful to move talk page to the latter or do some sorts of histmerge. Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as there is little connection between the fact that these sports share 19th-century historic roots and the fame acquired as wives and girlfriends of famous sportsmen. All children categories (for Gaelic football, association football, rugby league and rugby union) are already in parent {{Cl|Wives by occupation of partner}}, so there is nothing to merge. There is also a {{Cl|American Football players' wives and girlfriends}}, don't know why it was skipped. Place Clichy (talk) 10:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete All the subcats are already listed in the parent category, so need for a merge in this case. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and RD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, the sub cats and the parent cats suffice. GiantSnowman 18:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Gaelic footballers' wives and girlfriends}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDEFINING, also following other sportspeople wag's deletion nominations. Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete 2 of the 3 articles are not defined by the association. (The third article, Máirín Lynch, honestly is defined by the association but that may be an editing issue.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• :Her husband Jack Lynch is known for being politician though. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. The three articles and one redirect are better known for other things than their WaG status, and are so defined in the article introduction: {{Noredirect|Michaela Harte}} as the assassinated {{tq|daughter of [...] Gaelic football manager Mickey Harte}}, {{oldid2|1119036453|Máirín Lynch}} as {{tq|the wife of Jack Lynch, who served as Taoiseach}}, and {{oldid2|1030809434|Niamh McEvoy}} and {{oldid2|1142146820|SarahRowe}} by their own sporting career. Place Clichy (talk) 10:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• This should be closed the same way as the many similar discussions on yesterday's CfD page. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. WP:SMALLCAT issues have been resolved; creation of a list can be handled independently. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

:*Listify :Category:Problems in spatial analysis to article List of problems in spatial analysis

:Nominator's rationale: or Spatial analysis#Problems; WP:SMALLCAT. fgnievinski (talk) 02:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• I created the category originally to organize these topics, and I have a few articles for problems in spatial analysis in the works. I support the creation of such a list page if someone wants to put in the effort to make it. Obviously, this would take a bit of work. One question/suggestion I have is whether creating a list article in addition to the category might be better than converting the category to an article.
  I won't argue with anyone who wants to take this on and will offer help if necessary. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment, whether a category or a list, "problems" seem very broad. It may be recommendable to narrow that down. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose — (1C 6P) is not small anymore. All articles and categories have "problem", "paradox", or "fallacy" in the title. Nicely done, {{U|GeogSage}}. Spatial analysis#Problems list would be a good idea, too.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Geographical regions to :Category:Geopolitical regions

:Nominator's rationale: as per definition given in the category; there is nothing in geographic region restricting its scope. Note also we already have :Category:Regions for the general case. fgnievinski (talk) 00:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, I do not think anything in this category really fits the concept "geopolitical". Nom still has a point that there is nothing in geographic region restricting its scope, but then manually merging the content :Category:Regions makes more sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose — the parents are :Category:Geography and :Category:Regions. This is exactly where such same named sub-categories belong (such as :Category:Geographical regions of Bulgaria‎).
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

:* :Category:Regions is a child category of :Category:Geography by location so parenting :Category:Geographical regions to :Category:Geography is surely redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

:*:Interesting, I'd not thought to look at the parental tree. I'd only looked at the children.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose "geopolitical" has an entirely different and very WP:SUBJECTIVECAT meaning. Moreover, "geographical" isn't redundant just because its grandparent is :Category:Geography by location. I think :Category:Geographical regions should mostly be understood in contrast to its siblings, especially the following: :Category:Agricultural regions, :Category:Cultural regions, :Category:Historical regions, :Category:Military districts and regions, :Category:Natural regions, :Category:Physiographic divisions. "historical" and "military" have administrative meaning, "cultural" an anthropological meaning, "agricultural" a biological/socio-economic meaning, "natural" a biological/geological/climatological meaning, and "physiographic", a geological/plate-tectonical meaning. Where does "geographical" fit in? I'm not entire sure, but I would say it overlaps most strongly with the latter two, while not being identical with them. E.g. natural region is defined as {{tq|a region which is distinguished by its common natural features of geography, geology, and climate}}, while physiographic region has something to do with physical geography and geomorphology, but nothing with climate, for example. Whichever way you put it, however, :Category:Geographical regions probably has nothing to do with politics or geopolitics. That political description was not [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Geographical_regions&direction=next&oldid=717203037 added to the category until 2 years ago], which I think was a bad decision that should be reversed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
• :PS: When Metternich stated in the early 19th century that Italien ist ein geographischer Begriff ("Italy is a geographical term"), he was making the point that it was not politically united. The article Italy (geographical region)#Italian unification and the effects of nationalism confirms this point exactly. From this perspective, calling a region "geographical" exactly means it is not "political". We shouldn't confuse the two. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:34, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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