Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 7#By condition

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. This is essentially a WP:G7 since the author !voted delete. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 00:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Metrication Supporters}}

:Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate advocacy user category. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. I created the category for a userbox. I know (and support the fact) that advocacy of any kind is inappropriate on Wikipedia. I just didn't put two and two together. Please delete.WikiUser70176 (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Terry Pratchett fans}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:UCFD/I#Wikipedians who like/dislike and "fans"/WP:OC/U#Irrelevant likes * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:45, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. All the existing categories relating to Terry Pratchett refer to his works. This is a category for users to find each other. Similar to {{{Category:Wikipedians who like Star Wars}}} and the like. Perhaps we can reorganize the {{{Category:Terry Pratchett}}} better to include something like this one or rename this one, or delete this one and merge it with something else? Regardless of our final choice, my opinion is that Pratchett has enough enthusiasts to warrant having a page where users with interest in his works can find each other and create/edit together. And the reason we want to find each other is not an impromptu Terry-Con, but the fact that there are over a thousand Wikipedia pages directly related to Pratchett (62 novels, countless characters, motifs, quotes, movies, whathaveyous) and we could coordinate the creating and editing this huge Pratchett-content together, instead of each on their own. The category Wikipedians interested in reading has almost 5000 pages and it's more amorphous and more "irrelevant to encyclopedia-building" than a Terry Pratchett page. WikiUser70176 (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
• : Similar to :Category:Wikipedians who like Star Wars (deleted in 2007). Nor is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS convincing here anyway. If you thing :Category:Wikipedians interested in reading should be deleted, feel free to nominate for deletion yourself. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete worthless category to keep.Catfurball (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:National statistical services. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:National statistical services of Europe to :Category:National statistical services

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There are only two articles, one of which is already in the parent category. :Category:National statistical services still fits on a single page, so I don't think there's much benefit in further classifying by continent (which would mean creating the same categories for Africa, Asia, and so on). Pichpich (talk) 18:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge in agreement with nomination. 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib 00:24, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Commandos clone}}

:Nominator's rationale: This seems to be someone's attempt at creating an unsourced list article inside of a category, and the category itself seems to be redundant to its parent category. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:50, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as a malformed category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:20, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in British Columbia to :Category:Deaths from cancer in British Columbia and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in New Brunswick to :Category:Deaths from cancer in New Brunswick and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Nunavut to :Category:Deaths from cancer in Nunavut and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Ontario to :Category:Deaths from cancer in Ontario and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Quebec to :Category:Deaths from cancer in Quebec and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:* Propose merging :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Saskatchewan to :Category:Deaths from cancer in Saskatchewan and :Category:Deaths from lung cancer in Canada

:Nominator's rationale: Set of mostly WP:SMALLCATs (only one of them has more than two people in it) overcategorizing people on a more granular distinction than is necessary. Geographic categories like this are permitted in one of two situations, either geography is actually directly related to the topic in an inherently defining way, or it's needed as a way to help mitigate the size of a very large parent category that needs diffusion for size reasons -- however, people aren't defined by the intersection of their cause of death with the place in which it happened, so size is the only grounds on which these would be warranted, but there are just 15 articles total across all six of these categories combined and no articles left in the {{cl|Deaths from lung cancer in Canada}} parent at all. As always, just because the United States (which has about 800 articles in its "deaths from lung cancer" tree) subdivides its category by state does not mean Canada automatically has to follow suit -- the US had an excessively large category that needed a size management plan, while Canada only had a small category, so they don't automatically need parallel treatment. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge all to the two targets per detailed nom statement. Pichpich (talk) 18:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Upmerge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Upmerge per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete and salt. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male politicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male politicians by century}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male politicians by nationality}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male politicians by century and nationality}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male politicians by nationality and century}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|20th-century male politicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|20th-century male politicians by nationality}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|21st-century male politicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|21st-century male politicians by nationality}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|20th-century American male politicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|21st-century American male politicians}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American male politicians by century}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unmaintainable category tree that violates WP:CATEGRS. Wikipedia has a long-established consensus that "women politicians" categories do not need to be balanced with parallel "male politicians" categories -- the overwhelming majority of all politicians throughout human history have been male by default, so a category for them would be an unbrowsably and unmaintainably massive megacategory for 80 to 90 per cent of all the politicians who have articles at all.
Women in politics, by contrast, are a modern phenomenon, still relatively new and underrepresented enough that they represent a studied class of topic: academic research actually exists focusing on the question of whether women do the job differently than men, whether women focus on different issues in politics, the extent to which sexism affects the ability of women to win elections, and on and so forth. So the intersection of gender with politics is only defining for women, and not for men: women in politics actually have gender-based analysis of "women in politics" as a group, while men in politics do not have anything similar.
Also the parent is a recreation of previously deleted content, because it has been tried before and deleted at CFD for the same reasons, although not all of the subcategories are recreations and thus can't be speedied on that basis.
Categories for underrepresented minority groupings do not always need to be balanced against a category for the majority, for the same reason that {{cl|African Americans}} categories don't automatically require the parallel creation of "White Americans" categories. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:G4, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_16#Category:Male_politicians. (Sidenote: Nom could have been more concise by referring to this precedent). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and per Nl Leeuw. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete and salt as categories who a) clearly violate an established policy and b) have a history of being re-created despite previous decisions. Place Clichy (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Political history of China. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politics by Imperial Chinese dynasty to :Category:Political history of China

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Muslim Majority Nations}}

:Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate category. Wikipedia does not have any established scheme of categorizing countries for the matter of their dominant religious group. Bearcat (talk) 14:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, religion is merely one among many aspects to be discussed about a country, that does not make it a defining characteristic of a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• :This category was initially created with an intention that any readers who come across this category on a wiki page of certain countries or read the list of countries in this category will instantly know which countries have Muslim as the majority of its people Innitiative.35 (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
• :* That is what lists are for, not categories. See Islam by country#Table. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
• :*:Please come and have a visit to [https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/instantly here]. Innitiative.35 (talk) 10:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
• :*:I have 3 points for you:
• :*:# You did not seem to have read and understood my previous reply carefully.
• :*:# We know that we're talking about category, not data table, because of [https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/data this] and [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/category that].
• :*:# Please come and have a visit to here, [https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/come-across here], and [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/heresy there].
• :*:Innitiative.35 (talk) 10:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
• Against deletion, Is this category implicitly or explicitly prohibited or considered redundant and unacceptable by Wikipedia?
  Or is it just considered inappropriate by some types or groups of users?
  I don't see any aspects and factors that can justify some opinion saying that this category can't describe the characteristic of certain countries because to my mind it's Wikipedia where free knowledge is presented and not an almanac created by certain people who just want only some topics they agree with to be published on/in. Innitiative.35 (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

:* This is about WP:DEFINING. While obviously there are sources about every country that discuss religion in that country, it is not the case that sources about a country consistently discuss religion. Sources may rather discuss history of that country, or arts, or transport. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

:*:I still don't see a commonsensical reason for deletion. Innitiative.35 (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

• Strong delete per WP:NONDEF. If people want to talk about Islam is a specific country, :Category:Islam by country is for that. I've spent an awful lot of time on removing WP:OR and WP:SYNTH at Muslim world (as well as Christendom, by the way), but this stuff keeps showing up whenever someone seeks to reduce entire countries and populations to the religion of the majority of its inhabitants. (same with language, same with language family, same with "ethnicity" etc. about which we've had many CfDs in recent months). Such generalisations should be literally categorically rejected. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

::I hope you understood what you were saying. Innitiative.35 (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Some countries in Africa, such as Ivory Coast, have large Christian and Muslim populations, and not all of those are majority Muslim. In particular, no religion is a majority in Ivory Coast. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• Strong delete — that's for lists with citations and verification.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. This notion changes too much with time (Spain and Crimea used to be Muslim countries), whether you include ethnic groups considered as Muslim or actual religious practice (that would dramatically change the numbers in e.g. ex-Soviet republics), what counts as a country (Tatarstan, Mindanao or Mayotte are largely Muslim subdivisions of countries which do not have a Muslim population majority) or even, in the case of Gulf states, whether you count the large expatriate population. Place Clichy (talk) 10:15, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NONDEF. --Nagsb (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:1987 wildfires in the United States. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1987 Oregon wildfires to :Category:Wildfires in Oregon and :Category:1987 wildfires in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT. Pichpich (talk) 18:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:02, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:18th-century businesspeople of the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:18th-century businesspeople from the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:17th-century businesspeople of the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:17th-century businesspeople from the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:16th-century businesspeople of the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:16th-century businesspeople from the Holy Roman Empire

:* Propose renaming :Category:15th-century businesspeople of the Holy Roman Empire to :Category:15th-century businesspeople from the Holy Roman Empire

:Nominator's rationale: Use "from" instead of "of" for multi-ethnic empires. See also yesterday's People in HRE noms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 19:23, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:National Institute for Oriental Languages and Civilizations people to :Category:Institut national des langues et civilisations orientales alumni

:Nominator's rationale: It is quite confusing to have these 2 categories especially as there is no link between them. Moreover such general categories for people with links to an educational institution are not that much used on wikipedia and it is quite challenging todeal in this context with interwiki links Robby (talk) 08:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. I have recategorized Marcel Granet to {{cl|Academic staff of the Institut national des langues et civilisations orientales}}; the remaining people are all alumni. V27t [ T • C ] 12:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 19:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Muisca and pre-Muisca sites to :Category:Archaeological sites of the Altiplano Cundiboyacense

:Nominator's rationale: rename, in contrast to its parent :Category:Archaeological sites in Colombia the content of this category is limited to the Altiplano Cundiboyacense, but that is not very clear from its current title. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Archaeological sites in South America. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Archaeological sites in South America by country to :Category:Archaeological sites in South America

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, it is the only subcategory of its parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge, there will be very few (just Australia, US, and UK) by country categories in :Category:Buildings and structures by condition by country after the rest are deleted, so doesn't seem to be a valid reason for keeping. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Buildings and structures by condition by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Afghanistan by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Afghanistan

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Albania by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Albania

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Algeria by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Algeria

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Angola by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Angola

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Argentina by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Argentina

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Armenia by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Armenia

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures in Austria by condition to :Category:Buildings and structures in Austria