Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 3

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Songs based on real people to :Category:Songs about real people

:* Propose renaming :Category:Films based on real people to :Category:Films about real people added February 4

:Nominator's rationale: rename aligning with all of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Kbdank71 00:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: the parent :Category:Works based on real people includes siblings "based on real people" for various other media types, but also includes other naming patterns, so this nomination does no harm at that level. The rationale applies equally to the films category, but not to the others. – Fayenatic London 16:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Thank you for finding the films sibling category, I have added it to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Cultural depictions of James Joyce}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete and move the two subcategories up to :Category:James Joyce. James Joyce is not a defining characteristic of the articles directly in this category, but he is a defining characteristic of the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete and move per nom. Kbdank71 00:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• I would consider James Joyce a defining characteristic of Bloomsday, James Joyce Centre and Travesties. If the category is deleted, partial merge moving these up too. – Fayenatic London 16:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:22, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:The Camelot Years to :Category:The School for Good and Evil

:Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. ★Trekker (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The sibling may be nominated as well, since the whole tree only contains 9 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Buildings and structures associated with the Moltke family to :Category:Moltke family

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Kbdank71 00:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Assyria by century

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Assyria by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:1st-millennium BC disestablishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:10th-century BC disestablishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:7th-century BC disestablishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Assyria by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Assyria by century

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium BC establishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:1st-millennium BC establishments in Assyria

:* Propose deleting :Category:10th-century BC establishments in Assyria

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only a total of 5 articles in 12 categories. No need to merge because the articles are already in e.g. :Category:States and territories disestablished in the 10th century BC and :Category:Populated places disestablished in the 7th century BC. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Kbdank71 00:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Saint Martinois of Guadeloupean descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, useless intersection. Saint-Martin and Guadeloupe both are part of France, located on Caribbean islands. The only person in this category, Annick Petrus, was actually born in Guadeloupe (not just of Guadeloupean descent), at a time (1961) when Saint-Martin was part of Guadeloupe (it was split as a separate territorial collectivity in 2007). If we start to create descent categories for people born in different places of the same subdivision of the same country (such as Campanian people of Neapolitan descent or Long Island people of New Yorker descent), there will be no end to this. Also, if we populate Guadeloupean descent categories with people which are actually from Guadeloupe (and, in the case of Petrus, lived the first 30 years of their life there), what is even the purpose of descent categories? Place Clichy (talk) 16:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The one article is in the tree of :Category:People by populated place in Guadeloupe which is the more correct way of categorizing. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete — WP:COP-PLACE we don't categorize by place of birth; neither natives nor migrants are in WP:COP-HERITAGE descent categories.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Management calculus}}

:Nominator's rationale: This is a recently created category.
The apparent objective of its creator is to add this category to all pages of mathematics whose subject has been used once in management theory.
Anyway, most (possibly all) articles in this category do not contain anything that is specific to management. So, "management calculus" is blatantly a non-defining characteristics of the articles in this category. Also, if this category is kept, one should create, for coherence, a similar category for every area of knowledge that uses mathematics, which includes almost all sciences and technologies. Ridiculous. D.Lazard (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

::That's an opinion, but it is a non-diffusing category, so it does not matter. Calculus is integral to management science which is why it would add value to the management category tree, that was the intention, rather than to add value to the mathematics tree. One could obviously speculate on the intention of having a "mathematics by subject" development of categories but that's foregoing things.

::Where "whose subject has been used once in management theory" comes from, I do not know, then you would have to include a lot more articles than the 17 included, these are just the ones frequently used in management studies on an everyday basis (there's sources to this) and for that reason it could be considered a defining trait of management.

::Also Wikipedia guidelines have no info on "category coherence" but administrators in here are obviously using the same anarchy as in other places as per usual.Danielsltt (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. For example Antiderivative is a concept in calculus in general, it is not specifically used by or in management. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• :No one said anything about it being specific to management. By that logic you'd have to delete all the "Roads of (nation)" categories because there are international roads .. Danielsltt (talk) 14:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

::* Few roads are international roads, so this is a poor analogy. A better analogy is :Category:Roads with bicycle traffic which we also shouldn't have, while we do have :Category:Cycleways which are specific for bicycles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete None of the categorized pages in this category mention management, and the main article referenced in the category, Management, makes no mention of calculus. Kbdank71 00:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Strong delete — intersection of common disciplines. What's next? :Category:Physics calculus? :Category:Engineering calculus? Heck, my high school class paper on the mathematics of the trombone would be :Category:Music calculus? Ridiculous.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Theological grades of certainty}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. After recent merges by {{user|Veverve}}, this contains only one article and a few redirects to it. The article and the redirects are already in appropriate head categories, so no merger is needed. – Fayenatic London 13:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support deletion. Veverve (talk) 14:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Kbdank71 00:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Wikipedians who have access to OpenEdition}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, empty category apart from the userbox. If kept, rename to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to OpenEdition.org since OpenEdition is ambiguous. The latter was opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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• :Category:Wikipedians who have access to OpenEdition to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to OpenEdition.org – C2D: OpenEdition is a disambiguation page. Gonnym (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• : Oppose OpenEdition.org redirects to Centre pour l'Édition Électronique Ouverte, and C2D isn’t applicable to redirects. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Gonnym|Armbrust}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

::Delete since empty. Gonnym (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Empty Kbdank71 00:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:26, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Wikipedians who have access to EBSCO to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to EBSCOhost

:Nominator's rationale: merge, seem to be duplicate categories. This was opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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• :Category:Wikipedians who have access to EBSCO to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to EBSCO Information Services – C2D: or EBSCO Publishing. Unclear to what the category refers to, but it probably isn't EBSCO. Also, see :Category:Wikipedians who have access to EBSCOhost which might be a duplicate category. Gonnym (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• {{ping|Nikkimaria|Graham11|Guerillero}} please can you advise whether these categories cover different access rights, or should be merged – and if so to what name? – Fayenatic London 11:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• I'd suggest EBSCOhost. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, this should be moved to full CfD, a reverse this merge cannot be done speedily. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Gonnym|Nikkimaria}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

::Seems to be a duplicate. If that is the case, merge per nom. Gonnym (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Merge as duplicate Kbdank71 00:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Merge by editing Wikipedia:EBSCO/Userbox. – Fayenatic London 17:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (second option). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedians who have access to RSUK to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to Royal Society journals or :Category:Wikipedians who have access to Royal Society Publishing

:Nominator's rationale: procedural nomination, stale discussion at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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• :Category:Wikipedians who have access to RSUK to :Category:Wikipedians who have access to Royal Society – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• : Oppose as proposed This should be renamed to {{cat|Wikipedians who have access to Royal Society journals}} per Wikipedia:Royal Society journals. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• ::But there is no Royal Society journals... Gonnym (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• ::: I would support Armbrust's version, invoking WP:IAR if that's necessary. WP:RSUK redirects to what he says. RSUK redirects to Resuscitation Council UK, so the category name is currently misleading. – Fayenatic London 19:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
• ::::Looking at the options, I found Royal Society Publishing which might be a better name. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• ::::: I'm fine with using Royal Society Publishing. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 14:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Gonnym|Armbrust|Fayenatic london}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support, preferably the second option "Royal Society Publishing" per Gonnym. – Fayenatic London 14:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• :Support second option. Gonnym (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Rulers who spontaneously resigned their commission}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OCTRIVIA, WP:SMALLCAT, not a useful subgrouping, just a piece of trivia - car chasm (talk) 03:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. In addition, one of the two rulers in the category did not accept the offer to rule, rather than resigned, so the two are entirely different cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Kbdank71 00:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete -- We might have included abdications, such as Edward VIII of England or Queen Juliana of Netherlands; even Pope Benedict XVI, but I do not think this is a useful category. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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