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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Izyaslavichi family (Polotsk) to :Category:Iziaslavichi family (Polotsk)

:Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the eponymous subject’s article Iziaslav of Polotsk. Compare sibling categories in :Category:Rurikids and :Category:Kievan Rus' royalty.  —Michael Z. 22:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

::The disambiguation looks unnecessary on the surface, but there is a more prominent branch under Iziaslav I of Kyiv, which would be the primary subject for this title. Although the other article and category do not exist, the name is used in this form, for example in the big table in Grand Prince of Kiev (I have no idea whether it’s standard nomenclature or only happens to be used in Wikipedia).  —Michael Z. 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support WP:C2D
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Purged and re-parented during discussion, made into proper set category. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Superpowers to :Category:Superpower

:Nominator's rationale: There have only ever been 4 worldwide superpower nations, and only 1 hyperpower nation, so delete WP:SMALLCAT. Lately, it has been filled with historical great and regional powers. After renaming, many should be split to :Category:Great power or :Category:Regional power.

:This category originated as superhuman superpowers. However, it was taken over without discussion. It has become an uncoordinated mess of barely related articles that frequently should be in more specific categories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

::Agreed, marked as alternative. Delete was my initial thought, but was willing to entertain some repurposing.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

::* I was focusing too much on the subcategories alone. At second thought I am counting some 10 articles that truly are about the topic "superpower". So purge rather than delete. Possibly rename to :Category:Superpower (singular). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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• {{ping|William Allen Simpson}} I purged the category. For the remaining 10 articles, maybe a better option is to merge (with redirect) to :Category:Hegemony, since that is more clearly a topic category. What do you think? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Marcocapelle}} Thanks. After your purge, all the articles are :Category:Superpower singular. I've removed Delete as a proposal. Comparing with :Category:Hegemony, this would benefit from comparable parents. Looking into it.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

::* OK, let,'s then keep it at :Category:Superpower. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

::*Aha, you have recategorized under :Category:Hegemony. Hopefully that will keep the category better targeted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge to :Category:Hegemony and replace with a disambiguation to :Category:Hegemony and :Category:Fictional superhuman features or abilities. MClay1 (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

:* I hadn't yet thought of superpowers in the meaning of "Fictional superhuman features or abilities", that is an interesting addition to the discussion. {{ping|William Allen Simpson}} do you agree this a convincing argument for merging to :Category:Hegemony after all and converting Superpowers to a dab page? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

:*:As I'd mentioned in the nomination, this category originated as superhuman superpowers. (You and I both try to investigate the history of categories we discuss. Many thanks.) Do not merge to :Category:Hegemony. There is already a Superpower (disambiguation) page, but {{tq|a sovereign state able to project its power globally}} is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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• Oppose changing to singular. Categories are about a collection of items and should be plural. I would oppose merger to hegemony as that is a narrower concept than the role of modern superpowers. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge both. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Acting Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan to :Category:Caretaker Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: Same Ainty Painty (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Merge both to :Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan. Even though a person is in an acting or caretaken role, they will have much of the power of the permanently appointed one. This will also simplify succession boxes where an "as" field can be used to show status. Much the same can also be done in list articles. Note both the present subjects fail SMALLCAT. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge both to :Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Alumni by high school in Allentown, Pennsylvania to :Category:Alumni by high school in the Lehigh Valley and :Category:People from Allentown, Pennsylvania

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only 3 other categories and is unlikely to significantly grow in the near future. User:Namiba 15:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - it's not WP:SMALLCAT since the category contains over 40 members, ie articles (in 3 subcats). (A subcat is not a 'member' of a category; this could be made clearer.) Oculi (talk) 16:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Reasonable I started the category. My thinking at the time was that it belonged as a sub-category of Category:Allentown, Pennsylvania, which I do still believe. The nominator above is correct, however, that it is a small category and not likely to grow. It's merger is reasonable because it would categorize it with other regional schools. The idea of doing this even crossed my mind prior to this nomination. I see the basis for doing it and the argument for not doing it is only that the category's affiliation with Allentown also made and makes some sense. It looks this proposal would meet both objectives, however. Keystone18 (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support -- The individual categories are legitimate, but with only 3 or them SMALLCAT suggests merger. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Operas based on the Jason-Medea myth to :Category:Operas based on Medea (Euripides play)

:Nominator's rationale: "The Jason-Medea myth" is an unclear descriptor and doesn't appear to be in common usage even in scholarly sources. Most of the operas are based on Medea (play)‎, which would fit into the existing category :Category:Works based on Medea (Euripides play). The others can be moved to :Category:Works about the Argonauts. MClay1 (talk) 14:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting/merging :Category:Houses associated with George Frideric Handel to :Category:George Frideric Handel

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (2), with no possibility of expansion. Both are currently in parent, so deleting will work as well.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fictional gas giants to :Category:Fictional giant planets

:Nominator's rationale: The distinction between a gas giant and a more general giant planet is too small to be relevant to fiction. A gas giant is a giant planet which is mostly hydrogen. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to avoid re-creation and help in case editors try to re-use the name. – Fayenatic London 15:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge with redirect — likely reused by editors.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Women's Olympic soccer players of the United States to :Category:Olympic soccer players of the United States

:Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at :Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:28, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. {{cat|Olympic athletes of Jamaica}} and {{cat|Athletes (track and field) at the 2004 Summer Olympics}} which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Olympic women's footballers of Great Britain to :Category:Olympic footballers of Great Britain

:Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at :Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. {{cat|Olympic athletes of Jamaica}} and {{cat|Athletes (track and field) at the 2004 Summer Olympics}} which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Olympic women's footballers of Germany to :Category:Olympic footballers of Germany

:Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at :Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. {{cat|Olympic athletes of Jamaica}} and {{cat|Athletes (track and field) at the 2004 Summer Olympics}} which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Olympic women's footballers of Denmark to :Category:Olympic footballers of Denmark

:Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at :Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). I created the Denmark group yesterday before I looked at it fully. PS, apologies for adding these 5 separately, I tried to do as a bundle but couldn't work out how to use the Twinkle template in that way. Please re-format if easier. Crowsus (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. {{cat|Olympic athletes of Jamaica}} and {{cat|Athletes (track and field) at the 2004 Summer Olympics}} which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Women's Olympic footballers of France to :Category:Olympic footballers of France

:Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at :Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at :Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

::Keep The men's and women's tournaments are completely separate competitions. Separate competitions should have separate categories. That is why there are different categories for men and women footballers. Plus they are subcategories of there respective categories connected to their national teams. Djln (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

:::Once the men's national team players are categorised as such (i.e within Fooian soccer players/footballers, alongside Fooian women's internationals rather than one being a subset of the other), the Olympic players can go in the internationals tree too without gender having to be involved. By the way, categories have been created for the USA's bronze, silver and gold medallists in soccer, which are mixed even though the participants have been split! I have no strong opinion on whether those specific medallist ones should be there (only that nation has a full set of medallists by sport, e.g at :Category:Olympic silver medalists, other nations have a few random intersections like Croatia's water polo medallists and China's 2016 medallists). This means the likes of Hamm and Lilly have 6 categories for the Olympics (1996/2000/2004 footballer, US women's soccer player, US soccer gold medalist and US soccer silver medalist, we could at least reduce that by 1 if the medalists were subcats of a mixed player set). Crowsus (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. {{cat|Olympic athletes of Jamaica}} and {{cat|Athletes (track and field) at the 2004 Summer Olympics}} which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
• Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television episodes set in space to :Category:Television episodes set in outer space

:Nominator's rationale: To parallel the name of parent :Category:Fiction about outer space. Trivialist (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support, straightforward case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy rename WP:C2C
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Space in amusement parks to :Category:Outer space in amusement parks

:Nominator's rationale: To better align with name of parent :Category:Fiction about outer space, and to clarify what sort of "space" is being referred to. Trivialist (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support, straightforward case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy rename WP:C2C
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Coching Chu}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Memorials to Coching Chu}}

:Nominator's rationale: 2 articles - not quite WP:C2E. Oculi (talk) 04:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Delete both — added orphaned subcategory that should have been tagged.
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|California Golden Bears women's basketball head coaches}}

:Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category that does not fit the standard naming convention seen in every other category in :Category:College sports coaches in the United States Joeykai (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Shouldn't it merged somewhere? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• :all articles are already listed in :Category:California Golden Bears women's basketball coaches Joeykai (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

::* OK thanks. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Delete
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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