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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Finnish expatriate basketball players to :Category:Finnish expatriate basketball people

:Nominator's rationale: Per other similar :Category:Expatriate basketball people by nationality and subcats. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename — WP:C2C, currently the only outlier.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Sports commentators and :Category:Finnish sports broadcasters. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Finnish sports announcers to :Category:Sports commentators and :Category:Finnish sports broadcasters

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Indian Premier League coaches}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDEFINING, for almost all of the people in this category, being a coach of an IPL team is not a key part of their life. E.g. there are numerous former international players who were coaches for one season listed here, most of whom either have 0 or 1 sentence about IPL coaching listed in their articles, as it wasn't a big part of their life e.g. Shane Warne (no mention), Waqar Younis (1 sentence), Shaun Pollock (no mention), Adam Gilchrist (no mention). We do have similar categories for some other franchise cricket events either, but as per WP:OSE, this isn't a reason to keep this category, when it's non-defining, overcategorisation. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People with Ménière's Disease to :Category:People with Ménière's disease

:Nominator's rationale: 'disease' should not be capitalized. Chris the speller ^yack 15:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per article title Ménière's disease. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy rename--User:Namiba 23:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Cricket rivalries and :Category:Indian Premier League. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Indian Premier League rivalries}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, no evidence that any other rivalry is notable enough for a separate article. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but merge to :Category:Cricket rivalries and :Category:Indian Premier League. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per Marcocapelle.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Reality of Wrestling to :Category:Professional wrestling in Houston

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, this category contains just 2 articles for a small wrestling promotion. No objection to recreation when and if it grows. User:Namiba 15:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Aerial tramways to :Category:Aerial cablecars

:Nominator's rationale: To reflect the name of the main article - the proper term is "Aerial cablecar", not "Aerial tramway" Osarius 14:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose unless Aerial tramway is renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose if the article is moved via consensus at WP:RM, then and only then should this be moved. And cablecar vs tramway appears to be an WP:ENGVAR issue, so I don't imagine there would be consensus to move the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• I will abstain from !voting here, as I reverted the move of Aerial tramway to Aerial cablecar. I do agree that an RM discussion should be hosted first. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, wait until RM concludes.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: split and containerise. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Operas set in fictional, mythological and folkloric settings to :Category:Operas by fictional setting, :Category:Operas set in fictional countries, :Category:Operas set on fictional islands and :Category:Operas with mythological or folkloric settings

:Nominator's rationale: Split and containerise to fit with parent :Category:Works by fictional setting and its sub-cats for countries and islands. I am hopeful that after splitting to fictional countries and islands, the remainder might fit in "mythological or folkloric settings", so that the category can be containerised. {{c|Operas set on the Moon}} should be moved up into the parent. If containerisation is not achievable for operas by fictional setting, then we should stop at creating sub-cats for countries and islands, and not rename the parent. – Fayenatic London 14:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• There are also ʼuʼ and The Making of the Representative for Planet 8 (opera) – not enough as yet for a useful sub-cat of {{c|Works set on fictional planets}}. Perhaps :Category:Operas set in outer space (within {{c|Works set in outer space}}) would be an appropriate additional target, taking in The Voyage (opera) and Aniara (opera) (which I found via :Category:Science fiction operas) as well as the Moon sub-cat. – Fayenatic London 15:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Split per nom Overly wide category. Though myths are part of folklore. Dimadick (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Interesting point. Looking for other categories with both folklore and mythology in the name, I found :Category:Sleep in mythology and folklore, :Category:Witchcraft in folklore and mythology, :Category:Breton mythology and folklore and :Category:Dungeons & Dragons creatures from folklore and mythology. – Fayenatic London 21:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• {{ping|Dimadick|Fayenatic london}} while folklore may incidentally contain myths too, it does not contain entire bodies of mythology. E.g. Greek mythology and Norse mythology are not part of folklore. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename and containerise. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Films set in a fictional location to :Category:Films by fictional setting

:* Propose renaming :Category:Novels set in fictional locations to :Category:Novels by fictional setting

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series set in fictional locations to :Category:Television series by fictional setting

:* Propose renaming :Category:Video games set in a fictional location to :Category:Video games by fictional setting

:Nominator's rationale: Rename and containerise all four, following the parent {{cat|Works by fictional setting}}. The TV series category was just kept and containerised rather than deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 6#Category:Television series set in fictional locations; the others still contain a few articles directly, but mainly hold subcats for settings of fictional countries, islands, moons & planets. – Fayenatic London 13:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

::Note: not that it matters now as the removal was completed (and I can't really verify the contents), but from the articles I saw the television category removed, it would seem maybe that the "location" was a substitute for "city" as in "Television series set in fictional cities", just broader to catch locations which aren't cities, but similar. Gonnym (talk) 15:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

::: The 33 pages/subcats removed from the TV category can be seen [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Fayenatic_london&target=Fayenatic+london&offset=20230315094700&limit=33 here].

::: Yes, they were probably included as being set in fictional towns or cities. That's deprecated as a selection criterion, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 18#Category:Films set in fictional populated places. – Fayenatic London 15:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename and containerize, articles that aren't in a subcategory don't really have something in common with each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support: :Category:Television series set in fictional locations is the precedent for containerizing. Fuddle (talk) 22:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Currently, it is far too broad. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Latvian radio presenters to :Category:Radio presenters and :Category:Latvian radio people

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 13:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Estonian pornography to :Category:Pornography in Europe and :Category:Sex industry in Estonia and :Category:Cinema of Estonia

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 13:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

: Merge :Category:Estonian pornography to :Category:Pornography in Europe. Upmerge :Category:Sex industry in Estonia (also a WP:SMALLCAT) to :Category:Sexuality in Estonia. The main article Pornography in Estonia may also be added to :Category:Cinema of Estonia. (Incidentally, I don't see how one can merge 1 cat into 3 other cats, unless you just mean re-parenting that one article to those 3 other cats). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Combining the above: merge :Category:Estonian pornography to :Category:Pornography in Europe and :Category:Sexuality in Estonia and :Category:Cinema of Estonia; delete :Category:Sex industry in Estonia. Merging 1 cat into 3 other cats is common CfD slang for re-parenting the content to those 3 other cats. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• :Oh, I didn't know that. Doesn't merging mean that the obsolete category becomes a redirect to the target category? A redirect can only redirect to 1 target, so I thought it was technically impossible to merge to more than just one, but I see what you mean. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• :* {{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} in category space not many redirects exist and a move or merge of a category does not by default result in a redirect (in contrast to article space). If in a CfD discussion you think a redirect is really useful in a particular case you should explicitly state that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• :*:Thanks for explaining. I thought it was default. I would think category redirects are mostly helpful for preventing people from re-creating duplicate or misleading category names, and pointing them to the proper cat. It also has a navigational purpose for regular readers, but that may be more limited. Anyway, I learnt something new. :-) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support as modified by Marcocapelle.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to all listed categories. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Lithuanian pharmacists to :Category:Pharmacists and :Category:Lithuanian people in health professions

:* Propose merging :Category:Hungarian pharmacists to :Category:Pharmacists and :Category:Hungarian people in health professions

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 12:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers of Baden to :Category:Monarchs of Baden

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of monarchs of Baden. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers of Bavaria to :Category:Monarchs of Bavaria

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of monarchs of Bavaria. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers of Württemberg to :Category:Monarchs of Württemberg

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of monarchs of Württemberg. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Isa Town. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Mass media in Isa Town to :Category:Isa Town

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Dual merge not needed as article is already in other parent. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Family of Helveg Petersen to :Category:Helveg Petersen family

:Nominator's rationale: Per all other subcategories of :Category:Danish families. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• If renamed the target should become :Category:Petersen family instead, using the surname only. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

:* This comment was based on a misunderstanding. It appears that "Helveg Petersen" is the surname. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom, or delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename assuming future expsnsion.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per nom, 3 pages is large enough for a family category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Von Hofmannsthal family. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hofmann von Hofmannsthal to :Category:Hofmannsthal family

:Nominator's rationale: Per all subcategories of :Category:Jewish-Austrian families. This category only includes all Hofmannsthal people on Wikipedia. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Alt rename to :Category:Von Hofmannsthal family, prepositions ("from" in this case) are normally included in the surname. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Alt rename to :Category:Von Hofmannsthal family per Marcocapelle.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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