Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Antonio Nóbrega albums}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single redirect for a non-notable album where target offers no additional info about the album itself. Categorization here offers no navigational benefit. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete this does not aid navigation. It's barely even WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Television stations in the Lincoln–Hastings–Kearney market to :Category:Television stations in Nebraska

:Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Swiss social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Spanish social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Serbian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Russian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Palestinian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Maltese social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Japanese social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Italian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Irish social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Indian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hungarian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Greek social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|German social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|French social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Chinese social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Canadian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Scottish social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|English social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|British social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Brazilian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Austrian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Australian social commentators}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American social commentators}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not a WP:DEFINING characteristic, broadly defined this could describe almost anyone. All of the subcategories by nationality will need to be deleted too. - car chasm (talk) 17:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• {{ping|Carchasm}} procedural comment, the subcategories should be tagged and listed too. Just deletion of the top category does not make sense, it would merely orphan the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• :Sure thing! Updated the nom, they should all be tagged and added now - car chasm (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment There is a main article called Social commentary, and it has a sort of list of allegedly Social commentary#Famous social commentators, but the entire section is unsourced. For this to be a comprehensible and verifiable concept, the main article needs more WP:RS for better verification. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Listify Nom has a point that which people to include/exclude may not be obvious,or arbitrary. But because it is a legitimate concept, listifying and demanding that every single item on the list is verifiably a "social commentator" seems to be the best solution. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• :What would the WP:LSC be? I'm skeptical it's a legitimate concept, in my experience it's used inconsistently whenever a source doesn't have a more specific job title to give someone, so the fact that it's used by a WP:RS to describe someone wouldn't make it verifiable. The list on Social commentary is... dubious to say the least, it's just a bunch of names thrown together. That article should probably be AfD'd also. - car chasm (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. No objection to lists but I'm not making it a requirement of my iVote. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per above and WP:NONDEF. Even if there's a main article, this is too broad and trivial to be defining. Brandmeister^talk 17:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Public high schools in suburbs of Chicago}}

:Nominator's rationale: Category of dubious utility, grouping schools across several different towns and/or counties. We can categorize schools by the places that they're in, but we do not categorize schools by the places that the places they're in happen to be near. Bearcat (talk) 17:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete We do have :Category:Chicago metropolitan area (which includes Chicago proper) but I'm doubtful this would be meaningful for high schools in separate districts. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:4th-century BC monarchs. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:4th-century BC Seleucid monarchs to :Category:4th-century BC monarchs

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category. The article is already in :Category:3rd-century BC Seleucid monarchs so a second merge target is not needed Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The Seleucid Empire was established in 312 BCE, and the 3rd century BCE category does not accurately reflect its lifespan. Dimadick (talk) 08:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. We don't use categories to reflect empire lifespans; they are used for navigation and this category slows down navigation as an unnecessary layer of :Category:4th-century BC monarchs. Deleting :Category:4th-century BC Seleucid monarchs in no way inhibits navigation of :Category:Seleucid monarchs tree since the lone article is already present in :Category:3rd-century BC Seleucid monarchs. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: but this is also part of 4th-century BC monarchs, and merging it as proposed would prevent users searching under that category from finding the sole 4th-century BC Seleucid king alongside his contemporaries. The only way to avoid that result would be to rename the category something like "3rd- and 4th-century Seleucid monarchs", which looks clunky, although it might be acceptable. P Aculeius (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Century-based and state-based crosscats are often impractical and lead to many SMALLCATs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Dual Upmerge to :Category:4th-century BC monarchs to address P Aculeius' concerns while still addressing WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:50, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose modifying {{lc|YouTube controversies}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category mostly contains individual YouTube personalities who are deemed controversial for one reason or another. Their categorisation here violates WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. I have two suggestions:

:#Remove the articles about people, channels or videos, leaving behind only the articles about controversial incidents or aspects of YouTube (e.g., :YouTube and privacy, :Blocking of YouTube videos in Germany, :2011 Slovenian YouTube incident).

:#If the resulting category is too small, upmerge everything remaining to the parent categories and delete. gnu57 15:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Purge per nom (and possibly upmerge - rather than delete). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Purge Looks like there will still enough here for a category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Campeonato Nacional Feminino seasons. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino (women) seasons to :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino seasons

:Nominator's rationale: "(women)" is redundant with "Feminino", and other subcategories of :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino don't use it. Socccc (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

:*Comment: main article is at Campeonato Nacional Feminino since 2019 so a better category name would be :Category:Campeonato Nacional Feminino seasons. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

:*:In which case, expand the nomination to include :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino, :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino players, and :Category:Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino teams. -Socccc (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Move to {{cat|Campeonato Nacional Feminino seasons}} to match parent article. WP:CFDS can be used. GiantSnowman 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Alt Rename {{cat|Campeonato Nacional Feminino seasons}} per WP:C2D. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battlestar Galactica (1978) episodes to :Category:Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series) episodes

:Nominator's rationale: As per the other category, Category:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) episodes. Spinixster (chat!) 03:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom: I was just about to make this change when I noticed this CfD.— TAnthony^Talk 00:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 00:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Railway stations served by TransPennine Express to :Category:Railway stations served by TransPennine Trains

:Nominator's rationale: TransPennine Express will be superseded by TransPennine Trains on 28 May. Convention is for similar categories at :Category:Railway stations in Great Britain by train operating company to be renamed when a franchise changes hands, e.g when Virgins Trains was replaced by Avanti West Coast [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_December_7]. Airpopg (talk) 03:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• KEEP FOR NOW as it is not clear what name the new government-owned operator will be using. Based on past franchise take overs, it is feasible that TransPennine Trains Ltd will operate under the brand TransPennine Express. So this nomination is too early. 10mmsocket (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support after changeover. As per nom, but should only be renamed after the new franchise takes over. Agree with {{u|10mmsocket}} that we should wait until we know what trading name (I think that's the right term) that the new operator will use. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. Per 10mmsocket, the convention is to use the trading name and we don't know yet what that will be. In the two most recent cases where the operator of last resort as taken over the "Southeastern" and "Northern" brands were retained, so in the absence of an official announcement to the contrary we should expect the same to happen here (see also WP:CRYSTAL). If it does change, then we should change our categories only after it takes effect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, TransPennine Express brand is transferring to the new operator, so a rename of the category won't be required. Blamelstone (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• NOTE: [https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/terms-and-conditions It has been confirmed by TransPennine Trains] that they will operate as TransPennine Express, so this proposal can be closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 10mmsocket (talk • contribs) 07:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete, per close at TfD; notice no longer needed. {{nac}} Skarmory (talk • contribs) 12:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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:* {{lc|Fictional work redirects}}

:Nominator's rationale: Nom made to notify CfD users of the deletion discussion going on including this category at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 May 20#R fictional work. You are invited to participate in the discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

::Do not !vote here; instead, !vote at the TfD page. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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